I have been reading on the board a lot of debates about Cain's "cardio" and EPO and gassing during the fight... I had the opportunity to train with him as a wrestling partner for multiple camps in college and I would like to provide some insight into his cardio/toughness...
Number 1. I do not claim to have any insider knowledge at this present time, but I will say this Cain never has and never did need any sort of supplementation to have the best cardio in the wrestling room. I think the EPO talk is ridiculous.
Number 2. Cain had a different mental approach to wrestling than any other opponent I had ever trained with. Cain views wrestling as a giant game of mercy where he is going to push the pace, wear in you until you "break or give up"... One of his favorite methods is to push the pace to take you out of your comfort zone to cause you to panic... He often doesn't have to race you to zero if he can get you to panic you will quit before your tank even hits empty as you can feel the inevitable happening...
I have only seen one strategy which beat Cain consistently in college which was rather than trying to outwork Cain, avoid having to perform equal work by staying loose but in position and using size as an advantage...
Werdum is difficult for Cain to successfully employ an out work strategy against because Werdum does not need to panic about getting taken down or dominated in grappling positions he did not panic in wrestling positions he would make Cain Carry the brunt of the work.. During the striking he used his reach effectively and stayed in position hitting clean shots he forced Cain to scramble and hustle and try to out work him...
I did not analyze this fight as Cain just gassing but rather his strategy was unsuccessful in forcing Werdum to "keep pace"... Werdum has reached a level where he is free of fear on the ground or on his feet he will be a difficult opponent to work his pace till he gasses strategy
Good insight. Interesting analysis.
Good post, interesting. I thought Werdum did a lot with that Thai clinch early, it seemed to frustrate Cain and mess up his strategy of throwing punches from a clinch on the cage. He was working hard to get against the cage but he'd be stuck in a Thai clinch when he got there.
superb analysis and insight..
Thanks!
So maybe Cain panicked first this time ^_^ it actually looked a bit like it, realizing he was outmatched standing and ground had to be quite the conundrum.
Thanks for the solid post, VTFU. Agreed about Werdum fighting free of fear and hitting clean shots. I posted on another thread about Werdum likely hitting harder than people realize. His jab was on point and his cross seems to carry a lot of his body weight behind it. Add in his uppercuts, knees, and plum control as takedown deterrents – let alone his obviously brutal ground game – it makes sense that Cain had his hands full.
The UG needs more thoughtful posts like this, thanks again.
Their faces say it all here
CRE -Cain has a Tito-esque head relative to his shoulders and body.
Their faces say it all here
Cool shit OP, VU for sharing.
OP, I heard you used to make Cain cry when he was preparing for the Olympics.
Great post OP
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stevekt - OP, I heard you used to make Cain cry when he was preparing for the Olympics.Lol never made Cain Cry, I did hear his tears cured cancer... I just wanted to clarify I think in hindsight people will realize Werdum is a real world class practitioner
Great post OP. VU
The guy just isn't active enough to note areas to improve on.
Werdums lost by decision and by strikes and once those losses happened he has made adjustments.
It seems like cains only had to adjust to JDS.
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HandyDarsh - The guy just isn't active enough to note areas to improve on.
Werdums lost by decision and by strikes and once those losses happened he has made adjustments.
It seems like cains only had to adjust to JDS.
another interesting thought to consider imo
Fantastic post. That clinch made Cain muy tired when he tried to cage press. Werdum took away Cain's takedown and cage presses and proved to be the more powerful striker.
Cain got beat by someone who was better prepared and performed at a higher level on fight night.
Thanks for this thread.
subwrassler -It's true if you think about it. Werdum had problems with JDS when standing, and with overeem in the clinch. Then all the sudden he starts clinch fucking and kneeing people while still mixing in some huge sub wins.HandyDarsh - The guy just isn't active enough to note areas to improve on.
Werdums lost by decision and by strikes and once those losses happened he has made adjustments.
It seems like cains only had to adjust to JDS.
another interesting thought to consider imo
Good read. Vu op. This is what i was trying to say, just don't have the word skills
You're clueless how a high level athlete could get dominated by the Thai clinch...mkay...have you seen Anderson vs. Rich or Rampage vs. Wanderlei from the pride days? He could've done better, but he looked to have at least thought about it. Rather than try to pull directly out or duck, I saw turning his shoulders sideways and throwing Werdum's arms to the side a few times. Similar to the triangle defense/pass. It looked like he didn't have it drilled enough though. His reaction was delayed because he had to remember what to do.
Cain always was and always will be massively over rated. He beat just three people in five years - a sick Lesnar, JDS who is a boxer with little to no grappling and Bigfoot, one of the worst HW's of all time who also has a glass jaw.
The whole division sucks, I wouldn't be surprised if Overeem is chap this time next year, yes it's that bad :-)