I remember gustaffson vs jon 2, gustaffson took loss very quickly, he knew what he was fighting
I love Smith, and im sure this came up organically, but the ship has sailed. Donât forget jones also kicked him when he was down, a clear dq, that Anthony didnât take.
Since weâre being honest, I never though that Anthony was anything other than a journey man. Donât actually understand how talent such as he fights in the UFC. Dana must be short on dummies that want to throw their bows
Jon Jones the only mofo able to convince a commission that steroids can pulsate in or out of his body forever lol.
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Who the hell would steal a Mars Bar? Snickers, Kit Kat, Pay Day, even Skittles. But a Mars Bar? WTF is in a Mars Bar?
I might have to âgetâ one tomorrow for research.
It was Dana idea, green light for selected fighters
Iâm amazed that so many of you think USADA is in the pocket of the UFC. If they are, they do a SHIT job of helping the UFCâŚconsistently suspending some of their biggest stars, pulling guys from main even fights the week of the fight, only to come back a few months later saying it was a tainted supplement and not that big of a deal.
If USADA is in the pocket of the UFC, someone might want to let them know that itâs more beneficial to just bury the tests and not pull guys from main events, or suspend their champions etc.
OK, but if theyâre gonna meddle, why not do it in a meaningful way? Seems kinda silly to be like âfine, weâll do some illegal shit, make up lies about pulsing, and let a guy fight while cheatingâŚbut only after we pull him from UFC 200 the week of the fight, and keep him out of competition for a little while.â
So they let him cheat to fight Anthony Smith in an event thatâs not huge for the UFC, but pull him from what was supposed to be their biggest event ever?
I love these threads for shedding light on how many emotional, uneducated dweebs there are on this board. Makes me smile.
Heads buried in all the sand lol.
Yes, but those are two totally different situations. Itâs more like would you treat someone who stole a Honda Accord different from someone who stole a Mitsubishi Gallant?
And nobody was bright enough to say âwe werenât supposed to test the guy for cocaine, but we didâŚand he failed, but we canât suspend him because itâs not against the rules to do cocaine when he was doing itâŚso maybe we shouldnât release that he tested positive for cocaine, because it benefits nobody, wasnât against the rules, and will only embarrass one of the UFCâs champions?â
Yes, why would they release that information. How could it benefit them to let the world know jon jones failed a test for cocaine. It would just hurt his image and be a tool for leverage in negotiations. This has happened in football several times and the wwe is notorious for keeping failed drug tests secret until it benefits them to suspend someone.
I dont know why people think Zuffs is filled with idiots who dont know what their doing. Why canât they make the jon/francis fight? Why would they release drug results for a drug that isnt against the rules at that time? Why dont they just pay so and so what they want and make these dream fights? Why dont they compromise with so and so for a mega card. They are a billion dollar compant that was built from near bankruptcy. They know exactly what the fuck theyâre doing. Every move is calculated and planned. They know who is worth what and who sells tickets. Wake up.
I think youâre correct, but with one caveatâŚthey also put false information out there as a negotiating tactic. If theyâre negotiating with a guy, heâs not a needle mover, not as big of a star as they hoped heâd be etc, but if they have a PPV coming up, itâs unbelievable how big of a star this guy is, everywhere I go people are talking about this kid etc.
The last PPV with Diaz and Izzy sold 600K buys. If Diaz signs a new deal with the UFC (heâs on his last fight of the deal) and is taking a big fight in October, the talk will be about how amazing his last fight was, how big of a star he is, how he was the talk of the PPV etcâŚbut if he refuses to sign a new deal, and they know theyâre gonna lose the guy after this fight, heâll get booked with someone like Islam Makhachev, and the talk from the UFC will be about how the hardcores love him, but he only sold well against Conor and Masvidal, and the last PPV sold like a third of what he did with Conor AND it was headlined by Adesanya, who would have pulled those same numbers without DiazâŚso his time as a âstarâ seems to have passed, but weâll see if he can beat Makhachev and possibly get back on track blah blah blah.
So yes, youâre rightâŚthe UFC and Endeavor is filled with very smart people who know WTF theyâre doingâŚbut we need to keep in mind, theyâre negotiating most of the time. To state the obvious, if they sign Jon vs Francis, itâs because they believe itâs the biggest fight they can make for those guys, and will make more money doing that fight at the amount itâll cost than theyâd make with Francis vs Lewis at a lower costâŚbut by giving Jon a new deal and booking the fight, that doesnât mean Jon is the huge star theyâre certainly going to sell him as, but it also doesnât mean that Jon isnât a needle mover if they choose not to book it.
The UFC does a very good job of releasing info publicly that they feel benefits them. Lots of PPV numbers went unreported recently, some that were expected to do crap numbers, some that did great, but no official data was released. If they book Jon vs Francis, the narrative will be that Jones vs Reyes sold well and the social media buzz for Jon vs Francis is hugeâŚif they canât work out a deal with Jon, the narrative will be that Jones vs Reyes sold poorly, and that people arenât talking about Jon the way they used to.
So yes, I 100% agree with you that the UFC has tons of data on everyone, they know who sells, and make decisions accordingly, but what they choose to tell the public isnât always true. They tell the public whatever will help them sell fights.
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and when I say they have tons of dataâŚyears ago, while negotiating a fighters contract, they pulled up data from their last fight to show their managerâŚand showed them things like âat the start of the fight, there were X amount of viewers. However, your guy fought a super boring fight (paraphrasing obviously) and by the end of the second round, the number of viewers was cut in half. So yeah, the guy you want us to pay more $ won his fight, but he fought such a shit fight that people literally changed the channel.â
and that was like 10-12 years agoâŚthe data they have now must be 10x better than that.
I agree 100%. I went into much more detail in this thread.
Smiths performance in that fight made me want to start doing drugs