Aoki vs. Kawajiri opens pick em

Jap fights R fixed yo. Betting on them is retarded.

Gokudamus stole my name - "I do think there is a significant advantage for a fighter that fought like a 2-3 min fight over someone who fought 20 min however. Call me an Aoki nutrider on that."

Well there is an advantage of being the posterboy aswell, thats why Hansen felt the need to go for a crazy escape rather than stall for the last minute in their third fight, out of fear of losing a decision despite beating Aoki for 14 minutes


Im not sure what to say to that.

Only that my example is better than yours.

One cites actual facts that can be compared. Your is personal perception on something that can never be proven.

Actually im basing it from an interview Hansen did postfight.

jkennedy - 
Gokudamus stole my name - Your statement is ironic considering Hansen was only a replacement in that tourney. Aoki was supposed to take on the winner of Kawajiri vs Alvarez


...and I'm sure the home town boy wasn't given any advance notice of who was being slotted to fit in as a replacement. Whereas how long did Hansen have to get ready for Aoki?!?

I would be a big supporter of Aoki if he was playing on the same uneven, late notice, biased ref playing field as his competitors. There are very reliable stoies out of Japan where the 'champion' is given advance notice of his opponent and the 'challenger' only finds out two weeks ahead of time. The system is corrupt and fucked up. Gilbert showed that without the favoritism and the ability to butt scoot all night Aoki gets smashed. Let Hansen have a shoot at him in Strikeforce or WEC and see how that goes.

I used to love Japanese MMA because I was impressed with the supposed high level of Budo after hearing story after story of guys getting jerked around and fucked over I have no love left.


Lol.

Dude. Give this one up. Your so full of fail.

How many alternate fighters do you think there was? 10? Do you know what an alternate fighter in a GP is in the first place? Who won that fight? Who had the much longer fight leading up to that?

Im sure Aoki would have been fcked without the ref's help in gogoing Hansen. And of course, the ref's made Hansen go for that last minute escape that lead him to getting armbarred in their 3rd fight.

And how much fights has Aoki won because of being able to butt scoot all night?

Yes, Aoki's ankle lock on Alvarez was the direct result from butt scooting. His armbar on Hirota happened because of butt scooting. He gogo'ed Hansen since Hansen was tired of Aoki butt scooting all night and said fck it, i'll just go into his butt scooting guard.

And do you know wtf "budo" actually means? Just because the white samurai Evil Yoshida thinks it means something, it doesnt necessarily make it so.

Gokudamus stole my name - Actually im basing it from an interview Hansen did postfight.


I love Hansen but if he actually dominated the 14 entire minutes of that fight like you said he did, he would have gotten the decision.

He won the Shooto belt and a decision that gave Gomi his first career loss in a relatively competitive decision.

I think we can agree if the fight was close, Aoki would have gotten the nod. But saying he got submitted because of what he thought was going to happen is an excuse.

Im sure Lindland got KTFO agains Terrel because he thought he had to overcome his so-called boring rep and come out banging to be "exciting." But that doesnt mean it was Terrel's fault that Lindland gave him an opening.

"I love Hansen but if he actually dominated the 14 entire minutes of that fight like you said he did, he would have gotten the decision"

Says who? Aoki has always been favoured in Dream, he pounds a poor korean in the back of the head for a full fight without a single warning but then gets fights stopped the second someone fouls him

You bringing up Hansen beating Gomi wich happened in a different organization not related to Dream is completely irrelevant

If you are fighting the organizations posterboy and the fucking ref is helping him take you down then you cant possibly sit there and think "oh but i will probably get the decision"


I will take grease and standups for someone buttscooting over promotions who do their own drug tests and pay the judges and refs out of their own pocket any day

my picks: Kikuno,Aoki,Mousasi,Mizuno,Amoussou,DJ.taiki,Omigawa

i took aoki, JZ, and Ishida in a parlay

jkennedy - 
Dude, you're kidding yourself to think that fighters have been intentionally given short notice on fights against poster boys.


Dude, I didnt say that wasnt the case. I was commenting on the specific case of Hansen as an alternate vs Aoki that night. You (dude) are familiar with how being an alternate works, yes? And that whom won that fight and whom the diff in lengths of both guys' first fights?


Dude, I can think of one white boy sitting in full mount against Shooto's poster boy. He threw close to 20-30 unanswered and undefended punches while the ref watched the time count down so the poster boy could get a second round. You don't think Hansen knew the only way to beat Aoki was via KTFO?


One example, great. Who was that, btw? I already cited an example of a white boy beating a Shooto posterboy in a title fight in a competitive decision, dude.

And, dude, yes, in a close match, Aoki would have gotten the decision. I dont believe Hansen would have been jobbed if he dominated Aoki for 14/15min.

And how much fights has Aoki won because of being able to butt scoot all night?

A couple that I can think of. He's noted forced to stand and engage and is allowed much greater time on the ground.

Which couple of fights are you talking about, just so we are clear?

And by allowed greater time on the ground, are you saying the standups (which already favour strikers) arent quick enough? Some think there shouldnt be standups at all? Randy gets lots of time against the cage. Fair or not, you can argue he's earned that time because he is known for working guys in the clinch just as Aoki is known by the entire MMA world (not sure about you) to work guys on the ground and is one of the best submission guys.

Which fights are you citing that he's gotten such an unreasonable amount of time on the ground?

And do you know wtf "budo" actually means? Just because the white samurai Evil Yoshida thinks it means something, it doesnt necessarily make it so.

A GI Joe character from the '80s?

Sargeant Slaughter?

Gokudamus stole my name - "I love Hansen but if he actually dominated the 14 entire minutes of that fight like you said he did, he would have gotten the decision"

Says who?


Guess thats your speculation vs mine.

3 vs 20 min isnt speculation however. ;p

Gokudamus stole my name - 

If you are fighting the organizations posterboy and the fucking ref is helping him take you down then you cant possibly sit there and think "oh but i will probably get the decision"



And for arguement's sake, because this particular case is always talked about, and for the record, I agree 100% that is was fucked up and completely wrongly handled.

However, your saying the ref was "helping" Aoki to take Hansen down.

Placing arms and legs back into the ring is common place in Japanese MMA that takes place in the ring.

I will say that the proper procedure should be to halt the action to do this, esp when its a leg, but we have seen this happen all the time on the fly.

The most unfortunate part was that Aoki went for the td at the same time the ref put Hansen's leg back into the ring.

Some claim is was intentional both on Aoki's part and the ref to do what they did when they did.

On Aoki's part, this is false. The replay would show that his head is on the other side of Hansen's hip and would have had no sight on what the ref was doing.

The ref doing what he did when he did it was wrong and unfortunate. However, on the flip, he could not just leave Hansen's leg out there either.

So we have a bit of a dilemna here.

2nd - i have already conceded that the hometown/posterboy would have gotten the decision on a close fight.

However, its speculation to think that even if Hansen was dominating and killing Aoki but not finishin him, he would have lost the decision.

Yes, Hansen/Gomi was in Shooto. Not Dream. Yes, Aoki gets breaks. Yes, Aoki would get the nod in a close fight but its a stretch imo to say that would have still gotten it had he been getting destroyed by Hansen for 95% of the fight.


jkennedy - No man, there really was a GI Joe guy called Budo. http://www.yojoe.com/action/88/budo.shtml


lol, why did you edit your post.

i dont care who your friend is, thats fine, you dont have to say who it is, you could have also cited any fight that any fan could have seen to cite as example of unfair reffing or whatever.

my point or question still stands: which fight has Aoki been excessively been allowed to butt scoot to where its lead to some significant part of a fight? There may have been but i honestly dont recall.

He tapped Hansen twice fair and square. He tapped Eddie fair and square. He beat every other guy fair and square iirc. I can actually now recall one part of the JZ fight where JZ may have been forced down to the ground in the rematch....i dont recall what part of the fight it occured though. I do recall that Aoki had more than one significant sequence of offense vs JZ however, though I would have to watch the tape again, that part did stink.

As far as Aoki getting more time on the ground, tough luck. You can just as much argue that standups are unfair in the first place unless blatant stalling is taking place.

You acknowledge Randy and more time against the fence but the thing is, you can argue Randy has earned it too because he has proved he works guys there, dirty boxes them, grinds them, takes them down.

Same thing with Aoki only his ground time can and has actually lead to submissions, fight ending sequences where Randy's is more wearing and tearing the other guy.

Still, which specific Aoki fights has he gotten this excessive amount of time? He tapped Hansen in their first match right away. He tapped Alvarez right away. We cant be talking about a situation in which he has someone's back or side or a postition like that, can we?

jkennedy - No man, there really was a GI Joe guy called Budo. http://www.yojoe.com/action/88/budo.shtml


lol at that btw, never saw that guy, was he a movie ony character...snake eye's cousin or something, haha.

not to single you out but the whole UG and its "budo" thing is just annoying. Anything Evil Yoshida coins is normally very annoying. Budo simply means martial arts. It does not mean samurai spirit or whatever. That is bushido and its exactly the same as when we call so and so a "warrior."

There are tough fighters and pansies from any MMA country.

Romoshop material has come thru

http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/gallery/event/25566/112464

Crusher by KO

Staying up late to watch Aoki go to sleep.

What time?

3 am

 Aoki sub of course.

 LOL @ Aoki haters.



Another quick sub, another broken limb, an unquestioned top 10 LW, and no pants.



Yet no one wants to admit that he's good.