Awesome video! Always great stuff from scully 
Thank you. Much appreciated
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Shrimpin' ain't easy.
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It's a logical view-point. Bending vs. straightening - but I don't fully agree with it. Straight leg gets you out of any space no matter how small (assuming you can move your hips). Bent leg does not. I have never seen anyone not bend their leg once the leg clears. The "traditional" way of escaping assumed bending leg at the end of the motion because one is straightening the body to to clear room for the bending leg which is coming out.
In addition, the bent leg reinforces pinning side of leg flat to ground.
Both views are valid, and good in different contexts.
I like his ideas, but I find his viewpoints create a few strawmen.
I watched the video again, and just to add to my viewpoint - the bent knee is only really valid IF one can easily escape the leg, that is, the opponents knee clear the ground, or the space widens. IF the space does not widen or the top person's does not come up, it makes it hard to bend the leg to escape.
One of the bread and butter controls I have from the the top, especially against newer guys who obsessively bend the leg to elbow escape is that, I make sure they cannot elevate my legs or create a larger space. Most get caught because they can't clear the leg.
Jason is right in one regard -one WANTS to clear the leg by bending whenever one can. Space is created, bend that leg. every-time. But I see it as a short-cut to moving the hips. Ideally, one wants to move the hips as little as possible and simply bend leg. That would be great. But for beginning students, clearing the hip is more important when one is stuck. I do take his point that a student make "forget" to bend the leg. But against people who are actively controlling your escape with their base, it is hard.
Also, I've never seen anyone teach the side-mount escape movement as he claims others do (well, perhaps beginners make the mistake). The shrimp movement's purpose is to:
1) get on your side
2) Create space between your hips and opponent's body.
But, I do use the "traditional" backwards escape all the time when I have cleared his arm over by body to my hips and I shrimp backwards to escape my body (albeit to a seated position).
His "circling shrimps" are done in most academies - to get to the knees. Why on Earth would one do that to escape back to guard? You've created too much space and now have to "run" all the way back.
In addition, he is incorrect about the shrimp movement NEVER being used to guard retention. Of course it is, the cross-over step recovery is done using the "traditional" movement.
The two-legged movement is a staple in Judo and used more for both escape movement, and in BJJ the two-legged shrimp crawl IS used for side-mount escapes, along with a bridging movement.
It's an interesting viewpoint, but I don't think it is as informed as it claims to be.
But I like his stuff, puts out great content.
HotSteppa - It's a logical view-point. Bending vs. straightening - but I don't fully agree with it. Straight leg gets you out of any space no matter how small (assuming you can move your hips). Bent leg does not. I have never seen anyone not bend their leg once the leg clears. The "traditional" way of escaping assumed bending leg at the end of the motion because one is straightening the body to to clear room for the bending leg which is coming out.I've seen many people not bend their legs after starting the shrimp movement when escaping the mount. From my perspective it's not as obvious to many when it "should" be.
In addition, the bent leg reinforces pinning side of leg flat to ground.
Both views are valid, and good in different contexts.
Jason Scully -HotSteppa - It's a logical view-point. Bending vs. straightening - but I don't fully agree with it. Straight leg gets you out of any space no matter how small (assuming you can move your hips). Bent leg does not. I have never seen anyone not bend their leg once the leg clears. The "traditional" way of escaping assumed bending leg at the end of the motion because one is straightening the body to to clear room for the bending leg which is coming out.I've seen many people not bend their legs after starting the shrimp movement when escaping the mount. From my perspective it's not as obvious to many when it "should" be.
In addition, the bent leg reinforces pinning side of leg flat to ground.
Both views are valid, and good in different contexts.
Also had many people send me messages after posting the video telling me that I described the problem they were having. Straight legs is not necessarily bad especially on certain situations but I prefer this method over the other.
Also with this method when doing the elbow knee escape the leg feeds through because it is straight at some point during the drill. It's just not straight for very long.
HotSteppa - I like his ideas, but I find his viewpoints create a few strawmen.I am still moving backwards when I do the bent leg method which still clears the hips first. When I started teaching my beginner students this method they immediately improved.
I watched the video again, and just to add to my viewpoint - the bent knee is only really valid IF one can easily escape the leg, that is, the opponents knee clear the ground, or the space widens. IF the space does not widen or the top person's does not come up, it makes it hard to bend the leg to escape.
One of the bread and butter controls I have from the the top, especially against newer guys who obsessively bend the leg to elbow escape is that, I make sure they cannot elevate my legs or create a larger space. Most get caught because they can't clear the leg.
Jason is right in one regard -one WANTS to clear the leg by bending whenever one can. Space is created, bend that leg. every-time. But I see it as a short-cut to moving the hips. Ideally, one wants to move the hips as little as possible and simply bend leg. That would be great. But for beginning students, clearing the hip is more important when one is stuck. I do take his point that a student make "forget" to bend the leg. But against people who are actively controlling your escape with their base, it is hard.
Also, I've never seen anyone teach the side-mount escape movement as he claims others do (well, perhaps beginners make the mistake). The shrimp movement's purpose is to:
1) get on your side
2) Create space between your hips and opponent's body.
But, I do use the "traditional" backwards escape all the time when I have cleared his arm over by body to my hips and I shrimp backwards to escape my body (albeit to a seated position).
His "circling shrimps" are done in most academies - to get to the knees. Why on Earth would one do that to escape back to guard? You've created too much space and now have to "run" all the way back.
In addition, he is incorrect about the shrimp movement NEVER being used to guard retention. Of course it is, the cross-over step recovery is done using the "traditional" movement.
The two-legged movement is a staple in Judo and used more for both escape movement, and in BJJ the two-legged shrimp crawl IS used for side-mount escapes, along with a bridging movement.
It's an interesting viewpoint, but I don't think it is as informed as it claims to be.
But I like his stuff, puts out great content.
thanks for the further info.!
Good information, but holy cow, making us suffer 17 minutes to get 5 minutes worth of info is just plain mean.
ThirdWay - Good information, but holy cow, making us suffer 17 minutes to get 5 minutes worth of info is just plain mean.
Yahmsayin.
ive seen whole bottom game instructionals shorter then this. Especially coming from a guy that makes videos with titles like 9,000 leg locks in 6 min then he drops a 45 min instructional on how to bend the leg while shrimping lmao.
nah I'm just joshin, I watched the whole thing and am very glad I did. And then right after you showed how to do it right I almost clicked off like I was good but I kept watching and I'm glad I did. Seeing u explain the circle shrimping to get out of side control and using your arms to throw the opponent in the forward shrimp was something I've never thought about and I'm happy I watched, solves a lot of problems and made me think damn this little adjustment will make such a difference. Great stuff man.
I used the reverse shrimp back escape last night, worked perfectly!