CanadaGirl - Hello, I have been training for 3 years and there is one guy at my gym who cannot train with women for religious reasons. I have absolutely no issue with this and I don't see why anyone would.
Because most Americans are stupid.
Because most Americans are stupid.
I didn't say that at all but seriously.....you have to respect peoples moral, religious, and personal boundaries.....
CanadaGirl, I agree with you, UNTIL those boundaries impact my ability to train. If it comes down to his religious rules meaning that he doesn't get to roll or I don't get to roll, he sits out every time, in my opinion.
clinzyrva - CanadaGirl, I agree with you, UNTIL those boundaries impact my ability to train. If it comes down to his religious rules meaning that he doesn't get to roll or I don't get to roll, he sits out every time, in my opinion.
I understand what you're saying but I choose not to roll with certain people in class sometimes, just because I don't like rolling with them. They spaz, they smell, etc. Sometimes, this means we both sit out a round. I think that if someone doesn't want to roll with me due to religious reasons, it's just as valid as me not wanting to roll with the guy in the stinky gi. Even if it means we both sit.
Irishspirit -clinzyrva - CanadaGirl, I agree with you, UNTIL those boundaries impact my ability to train. If it comes down to his religious rules meaning that he doesn't get to roll or I don't get to roll, he sits out every time, in my opinion.
I understand what you're saying but I choose not to roll with certain people in class sometimes, just because I don't like rolling with them. They spaz, they smell, etc. Sometimes, this means we both sit out a round. I think that if someone doesn't want to roll with me due to religious reasons, it's just as valid as me not wanting to roll with the guy in the stinky gi. Even if it means we both sit.
Yep. When it's my choice because I'm avoiding the smelly guy or whatever, then I totally agree. But if there has to be one grappler out and it comes down to his religious preference beating my right to be there just because I have a vagina, I take offense. I'll take my round out just like everyone else, but I'm not taking multiple rounds out for someone that won't roll with me.
I really don't understand the difference. If you don't want to roll with some one because they are a spaz or they smell bad, or in a lot of cases because you are tired or just don't want to get beaten, you are exercising your right to protecting your body.
I pick and choose who I roll with on a regular basis depending on what kind of training mood I am in. Sometimes I train with just the lower belts to protect my body or to work on technique. Sometimes I train with just the upper belts because I am feeling selfish and want more of a workout.
Everyone has one or two people they prefer to train with stylistically, so if you roll with that person more than anyone else are you hurting the rest of the team? Picking and choosing training partners is something that everyone does every time they get on the mat.
If one person wasn't there in the first place you wouldn't be rolling with them anyway. There are lots of people that train and never roll with anyone or only have the gas to roll once or twice, are they bad people too?
Jiu Jitsu people don't always show up, and they don't always train hard when they do. It's just the nature of the beast. In my eyes that is no different than making a religious decision not to train with someone. It doesn't do any good to get upset by it because you aren't going to change it. Just focus on yourself and your own training and you will be much happier for it.
all religion is a bunch of mumbo jumbo
I would respect anyone's wish not to train with anyone, for what ever reason they have. It's their business and, silly for me to get angry about. If they aren't hurting someone else, concentrate on your own training and, help others.
SteveHall - I really don't understand the difference. If you don't want to roll with some one because they are a spaz or they smell bad, or in a lot of cases because you are tired or just don't want to get beaten, you are exercising your right to protecting your body.
I pick and choose who I roll with on a regular basis depending on what kind of training mood I am in. Sometimes I train with just the lower belts to protect my body or to work on technique. Sometimes I train with just the upper belts because I am feeling selfish and want more of a workout.
Everyone has one or two people they prefer to train with stylistically, so if you roll with that person more than anyone else are you hurting the rest of the team? Picking and choosing training partners is something that everyone does every time they get on the mat.
If one person wasn't there in the first place you wouldn't be rolling with them anyway. There are lots of people that train and never roll with anyone or only have the gas to roll once or twice, are they bad people too?
Jiu Jitsu people don't always show up, and they don't always train hard when they do. It's just the nature of the beast. In my eyes that is no different than making a religious decision not to train with someone. It doesn't do any good to get upset by it because you aren't going to change it. Just focus on yourself and your own training and you will be much happier for it.
I'm not at all opposed to people seeking out specific training partners. Like you said, we all do it, for a variety of reasons. There are lots of people I don't want to roll with, like the 300 lb guys. So, if someone doesn't want to roll with me for religious reasons, that's fine. I just don't want to be the one that gets punished (by being forced to sit out if there's an odd number of partners) if that's what it comes down to. That's the difference to me - people assuming that the woman will defer to the men who want to train and sit out. I am not interested in that. I'm focused on myself and my training. I'm there to train, just like the guys. Sometimes that means rolling with the smelly guy instead of sitting out a round because I need another round before I call it a night.
People can have whatever crazy ideologies they want. I don't care, as long as they don't try to convert me (and even that's kind of entertaining sometimes). I have never had anyone be disrespectful when refusing to roll with me because of religious reasons. I'm totally fine if that's your reason for not wanting to roll with me. All I ask is that you follow the libertarian principles with it - you can have your life, liberty, and pursue your happiness right up until it affects me pursuing my happiness (here, that's mat time).
I'm kind of bummed my name is associated with this thread. 
Hillary - I'm kind of bummed my name is associated with this thread. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
yeah I don't get why it was ATTN Hillary
this whole thread bothers me, both sides of the debate
yes, everyone should JUST TRANE if you can't roll with women thats fine don't make a big deal about it, hey if you'd rather not roll with someone not your color, don't, better not advertise that though!
me, I try not to roll with the weirdos and the creeps, i like to roll with females, but it usually ends up with them getting pissed at me for going too hard or too easy, so i try to avoid it
hey....I talk a lot of shit about a lot of people but on the mat we are all equal....
Defenestrator. You are the one everyone thinks is an idiot. The only bigger one on rhis thread is Exmobile.
Only a moron starts an argument by calling people dumb cunts, then turns around and in the midst of "slinging around random gobshite insults and related lexicographic diarrhea because they are unable to seperate their viewpoints from their child-like emotions." Performs the exact thong he accuses others of doing.
So go ahead. Keep showing how "intelligent" you are. It's like watching a mentally challenged person try to put a puzzle together.
This thread needs to be deleted.
^Or go through and edit all the posts to more accurately reflect the attitude of genuine BJJers, which is that we totally understand if there is a reason you can't roll with ANYONE in class. As long as it's not based on bigotry then no one will mind,
Defenestrator, take a comparative religion class or something. Your facts on Islam are half wrong and half out of context.
Oh and read a couple threads on the Atama board and take note of the tone. People are actually respectful of one another on here usually. Culture shock, I know.
You got training preferences then don't train. It messes up everyone else with trying to find the "right" partner for the idiot. Training is training with everyone. They should just get the mind out of the gutter.
"Oh and read a couple threads on the Atama board and take note of the tone. People are actually respectful of one another on here usually. Culture shock, I know. "
lol @ culture shock. So true.