Bellator PPV does estimated 65k buys apparently

I think bellator can do better than 65k on their next ppv.

Rampage vs Tito

Alvarez vs Brooks

Warren vs Dantas

Michael Page vs War Machine or Joe Riggs

 

caposa - 
eXtv - Better than I thought to be honest, the word is that 50k would mean they broke even, so they made a little profit off of a card that had the rug pulled from under it with Eddie getting injured.

I suspect we'll probably see another PPV card before the end of the year, with numbers like that I'll be shocked if Spike doesn't push for it.


Apparently, Eddie's next fight has to be on PPV according his settlement with Bellator. So we'll definitely see another PPV this fall. Maybe they try Rampage-Tito again.




In that case, then yeah I can certainly see Tito vs. Rampage with Eddie vs. Brooks co-headlining as the next Bellator PPV, since Eddie said (I think) that Brooks is the fight he wants although Bellator will definitely want to push for the Chandler rubber match.

mikmacdo - 

I think bellator can do better than 65k on their next ppv.

Rampage vs Tito

Alvarez vs Brooks

Warren vs Dantas

Michael Page vs War Machine or Joe Riggs

 


Wont be Page vs War Machine, they want to take it slow with Page. 


 


Rest of the card is exactly what I can see them doing. 

Se7enout - 

Epwar... You should have bet me! And no this is still very bad. Lol. If the ufc ever sold 65k the world would be ending around here. All this ppv did was proved that Bellator can not make money for Viacom. They have failed at everything from shoulder programing to ppv and exausted all avenues of revenue with Bellator and nothing has had positive results. 

They know now they are a regional promotion at best.


Do you think the UFC's PPV's were what they are now, when they first started doing them? The answer is a resounding, fuck no. Don't be a moron that just blindly shills Zuffa, man...you're a relatively decent poster when you're not doing that shit.

Se7enout - 
epwar - 
Se7enout - 

Epwar... You should have bet me! And no this is still very bad. Lol. If the ufc ever sold 65k the world would be ending around here. All this ppv did was proved that Bellator can not make money for Viacom. They have failed at everything from shoulder programing to ppv and exausted all avenues of revenue with Bellator and nothing has had positive results. 

They know now they are a regional promotion at best.


So you're basically admitting you pulled that 50,000 number out of your ass just like I said you were?




No at the time that was the projected number... It was wrong obviously as are most projections the day after but I wasn't going to retract the offer I made. I made an offer and stuck to it. You tucked your tail and ran.




No, at that time it was a # that Cindy O-Face (one of your shilling buddies) threw out on here, and you ran with. Let's just call it for what it is.

Not many were predicting 65k buys which means Bellator probably wasn't either. They could have a nice little business going if they could pull around 100k buys doing 6 PPV's per year.

not bad for a first PPV, but if they dont increase if could be trouble.

 

i couldnt find it at a bar, hopefully that will change in the future.

it was all the UG talked about for a couple days, and rampage and tito wont be around for ever so i hope they start pushing their younger guys .

 

it could be way worse

OblongBox - 

Not many were predicting 65k buys which means Bellator probably wasn't either. They could have a nice little business going if they could pull around 100k buys doing 6 PPV's per year.


Actually everyone was prediciting 50-100k.


 


and if you think they are gonna do 6 PPV a year and do 100k on each one, wow. 

Much better than I expected.

It's basically triple what TNA does on a strong PPV, and they pulled that number despite ratings that are about half of what TNA pulls. 65K is about what Pride averaged for their Las Vegas shows (32,33), so that is pretty good company as far as non-Zuffa MMA PPVs go. It's also in the same range as Zuffa's average PPV sales in the pre-TUF era.

Not great, but not bad either. Good enough to make doing another one a tempting proposition.

eXtv - Better than I thought to be honest, the word is that 50k would mean they broke even, so they made a little profit off of a card that had the rug pulled from under it with Eddie getting injured.

I suspect we'll probably see another PPV card before the end of the year, with numbers like that I'll be shocked if Spike doesn't push for it.


Where did you pull this "break even" number from?  People keep bringing this number up.  At $45 for the PPV, they split half with the cable provider.  This means they keep roughly $20 per order.  At 50K orders, they generated a total of $1M.  I would imagine that they spent more than $1M on marketing the event.  But obviously I don't have the numbers.  I'm always wondering where you guys get your numbers from

Se7enout - 
epwar - 
Se7enout - 

Epwar... You should have bet me! And no this is still very bad. Lol. If the ufc ever sold 65k the world would be ending around here. All this ppv did was proved that Bellator can not make money for Viacom. They have failed at everything from shoulder programing to ppv and exausted all avenues of revenue with Bellator and nothing has had positive results. 

They know now they are a regional promotion at best.


So you're basically admitting you pulled that 50,000 number out of your ass just like I said you were?




No at the time that was the projected number... It was wrong obviously as are most projections the day after but I wasn't going to retract the offer I made. I made an offer and stuck to it. You tucked your tail and ran.




Nice try.

Chris27 - 
OblongBox - 

Not many were predicting 65k buys which means Bellator probably wasn't either. They could have a nice little business going if they could pull around 100k buys doing 6 PPV's per year.


Actually everyone was prediciting 50-100k.


 


and if you think they are gonna do 6 PPV a year and do 100k on each one, wow. 




I said IF they could. It's something to work for in the future if their next PPV does 65k or better. It's not an unreasonable goal in a few years.

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Moaozinho - 
eXtv - Better than I thought to be honest, the word is that 50k would mean they broke even, so they made a little profit off of a card that had the rug pulled from under it with Eddie getting injured.

I suspect we'll probably see another PPV card before the end of the year, with numbers like that I'll be shocked if Spike doesn't push for it.


Where did you pull this "break even" number from?  People keep bringing this number up.  At $45 for the PPV, they split half with the cable provider.  This means they keep roughly $20 per order.  At 50K orders, they generated a total of $1M.  I would imagine that they spent more than $1M on marketing the event.  But obviously I don't have the numbers.  I'm always wondering where you guys get your numbers from




It's just what I've heard thrown around by multiple journalists and 'industry insiders' during the run-up to the event.

Se7enout - 

Epwar... You should have bet me! And no this is still very bad. Lol. If the ufc ever sold 65k the world would be ending around here. All this ppv did was proved that Bellator can not make money for Viacom. They have failed at everything from shoulder programing to ppv and exausted all avenues of revenue with Bellator and nothing has had positive results. 

They know now they are a regional promotion at best.


eat crwo u suck at posting along with all ur other screen names and shilling ass kissers who are here for no other reason but to put down Bellator .Guess what 65 buys isnt bad and the show was well liked What the f is it to u / You obviously have an agenda and multi screen names And no i dont want too bet

eXtv -
Moaozinho - 
eXtv - Better than I thought to be honest, the word is that 50k would mean they broke even, so they made a little profit off of a card that had the rug pulled from under it with Eddie getting injured.

I suspect we'll probably see another PPV card before the end of the year, with numbers like that I'll be shocked if Spike doesn't push for it.


Where did you pull this "break even" number from?  People keep bringing this number up.  At $45 for the PPV, they split half with the cable provider.  This means they keep roughly $20 per order.  At 50K orders, they generated a total of $1M.  I would imagine that they spent more than $1M on marketing the event.  But obviously I don't have the numbers.  I'm always wondering where you guys get your numbers from




It's just what I've heard thrown around by multiple journalists and 'industry insiders' during the run-up to the event.
With the PPV market as it is, thy may get a bigger cut than 50/50 Phone Post 3.0

I guess you have to give Bellator a pass on this card being the first you have to set a benchmark to establish if they can grow from here. Phone Post 3.0

Moaozinho - 
eXtv - Better than I thought to be honest, the word is that 50k would mean they broke even, so they made a little profit off of a card that had the rug pulled from under it with Eddie getting injured.

I suspect we'll probably see another PPV card before the end of the year, with numbers like that I'll be shocked if Spike doesn't push for it.


Where did you pull this "break even" number from?  People keep bringing this number up.  At $45 for the PPV, they split half with the cable provider.  This means they keep roughly $20 per order.  At 50K orders, they generated a total of $1M.  I would imagine that they spent more than $1M on marketing the event.  But obviously I don't have the numbers.  I'm always wondering where you guys get your numbers from




Sounds like bullshit to me too.

Zuffa averaged around the same number during the pre-TUF years and lost approximately $10MM over the course of four years and 20+ events. I don't see how Bellator could be breaking even in 2014 when Zuffa lost their shirts with the same sales numbers over a decade ago.

Chris27 - 
OblongBox - 

Not many were predicting 65k buys which means Bellator probably wasn't either. They could have a nice little business going if they could pull around 100k buys doing 6 PPV's per year.



Actually everyone was prediciting 50-100k.


and if you think they are gonna do 6 PPV a year and do 100k on each one, wow. 




I think they have a lot of work to do in terms of their roster before they can begin to pull off six 100k (or more) pay per views a year, but if they could, then that would be "a nice little business".

I think one of Zuffa era UFC's greatest accomplishments has been the increase in live gates. Although they're still falling short of those giant Pride era crowds in Japan, you only have to look at Bellator for a glimpse into the recent past for MMA live events (tribal casinos, etc.). I bring this up because there are many more pieces to this puzzle, aside from the suggested signing of additional (better) fighters, but that ain't a bad place to start.

I Wild Each It - 
Se7enout - 

Epwar... You should have bet me! And no this is still very bad. Lol. If the ufc ever sold 65k the world would be ending around here. All this ppv did was proved that Bellator can not make money for Viacom. They have failed at everything from shoulder programing to ppv and exausted all avenues of revenue with Bellator and nothing has had positive results. 

They know now they are a regional promotion at best.


Do you think the UFC's PPV's were what they are now, when they first started doing them? The answer is a resounding, fuck no. Don't be a moron that just blindly shills Zuffa, man...you're a relatively decent poster when you're not doing that shit.



Hey dumbass, you do know that when the UFC started doin PPV's that MMA wasnt recognized as one of the top sports in the world, and wasnt watched on cable TV every week by tons of people, right? What a stupid fuckin comparison to make smh