Im new to bjj,but would it be possible to develop a game thats applicable to mma AND bjj?
yes, train with punches.
Wow... It's very telling about the current state of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that a new student of the art is even asking that question!
Yeah - but MMA has moved on a lot: Gracie jiu jitsu is no longer sufficient to take on other stylists.
Really? It's not?
Id preferably want to develop and learn a simple game that works in mma,bjj,sub grappling. Rather than a bjj gsme that the majority of techs have no application in mma.
Herbish1 - yes, train with punches.
Yeah but then it wouldnt be bjj then
Herbish1 - yes, train with punches.
Yeah but then it wouldnt be bjj then
Herbish1 - yes, train with punches.
Yeah but then it wouldnt be bjj then
Herbish1 - yes, train with punches.
Yeah but then it wouldnt be bjj then
Sorry bout multiple posts ipads ribbish
shen - Wow... It's very telling about the current state of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that a new student of the art is even asking that question!
I hear what you're saying... but mma rules are lacking too in the ground fighting dept.
For example, your mma game is built on fighting guys who are the same size as you in front of judges and if you are on bottom you had better get back to your feet or finish the guy within the five minutes or you are almost certain to lose the round. For this reason an mma guard is 75% get back to your feet safely and 25% work techniques to sweep, submit, or take the back just in case you keep getting stuck there and have no other choice but to try to win from that position.
My point is that the bjj that we all learned doesn't really have a sporting ruleset to express the art anymore. That died with NHB. Again I do hear what you are saying though about sport bjj today.
shiznit - Id preferably want to develop and learn a simple game that works in mma,bjj,sub grappling. Rather than a bjj gsme that the majority of techs have no application in mma.
You could develope a game similar to both Nog's which is good but not going to win you any titles in at least two of the three you mentioned.
Let me try and answer the question:
1. BJJ is great for B and C class MMA still, particularly in its basic Vale Tudo form.
2. For higher level MMA it's a slightly different system although the 101 still works it has to deal with more "anti" BJJ especially on top and in control positions where people happily give their back up with good wrist control and cage work.
Which 1 are you asking about ? It will make the question easier to answer. 
NO-GI tae kwon do, is far superior, you will never have to worry about the ground.
LEMon - Let me try and answer the question:
1. BJJ is great for B and C class MMA still, particularly in its basic Vale Tudo form.
2. For higher level MMA it's a slightly different system although the 101 still works it has to deal with more "anti" BJJ especially on top and in control positions where people happily give their back up with good wrist control and cage work.
Which 1 are you asking about ? It will make the question easier to answer.
1) I totally agree with
2) I think the rules (stand-ups) don't allow for you to control a guy and make him work to escape therefor tiring him out. It is much easier for your opponent to escape and defend himself when you are required to stay busy.
Plus these positions that could be referred to as anti bjj work ok when you are a gifted athlete who has trained to be able to go the full 15-25 min. time limit. However, giving up your back is not as effective when you have been controlled for a certain amount of time and you are fatigued a little, even if you are a gifted athlete.
Calhoon -shiznit - Id preferably want to develop and learn a simple game that works in mma,bjj,sub grappling. Rather than a bjj gsme that the majority of techs have no application in mma.
You could develope a game similar to both Nog's which is good but not going to win you any titles in at least two of the three you mentioned.
Great post,maybe a game that doesnt stray to far from a rickson type game,basic fundemental,but still can be applied in mma and bjj.
Calhoon -shen - Wow... It's very telling about the current state of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that a new student of the art is even asking that question!
I hear what you're saying... but mma rules are lacking too in the ground fighting dept.
For example, your mma game is built on fighting guys who are the same size as you in front of judges and if you are on bottom you had better get back to your feet or finish the guy within the five minutes or you are almost certain to lose the round. For this reason an mma guard is 75% get back to your feet safely and 25% work techniques to sweep, submit, or take the back just in case you keep getting stuck there and have no other choice but to try to win from that position.
My point is that the bjj that we all learned doesn't really have a sporting ruleset to express the art anymore. That died with NHB. Again I do hear what you are saying though about sport bjj today.
Eddie bravos combat jiujitsu? :) another great post. Id love to develop a game that works in both mma and bjj. Would maybe countering the type of techniques that dont work in mma but work in bjj be the answer? Instead if getting caught up in them?
LEMon - Let me try and answer the question:
1. BJJ is great for B and C class MMA still, particularly in its basic Vale Tudo form.
2. For higher level MMA it's a slightly different system although the 101 still works it has to deal with more "anti" BJJ especially on top and in control positions where people happily give their back up with good wrist control and cage work.
Which 1 are you asking about ? It will make the question easier to answer.
If we are speaking hypothetically. Most bjj practitioners use games that wont work in mma. Types of guards,sweeps etc that a good old fashioned punch to the face will inevitably stop from being effective. Would it not be better to spend more time in techniques that are higher percentage in mma,but also work in bjj,than just work techniques that only work in sport bjj....if an effective mma grappling game was my goal. Also alot of wrestling concepts can be added onto of the mma-bjj game to further enhance the mma grappling aspect,and even applied to some of the bjj competitive side.
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SidRon gives good advice.
I'd add that you should view the guard as a generally undesirable position. View it as the best of the worst (being on your back), but not somewhere you want to be. And if you are in guard, make it either a tight defensive closed guard, or else kick to create distance and get back to your feet.