dana saved mma. Right now is the best the sport has ever been. more people should appreciate what hes done instead of bitching about him. he tries to make sure we get great cards with tons of big fights and you people still aint happy.
Lazer MMA - THE CARD WAS NOT CANCELLED BECAUSE THE MAIN EVENT WAS THE ONLY FIGHT WORTH PAYING FOR, IT WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE JBJ REFUSED TO FIGHT WITHOUT EXCEPTION!This is a complete, 100% fallacy.
If the card was top notch it would have not been canceled. Because it was watered down shit that would have garnered maybe 120k PPV buys Lorenzo canceled it and sent his PR dogs out after his own Champ....as usual....
Sal Penis -I blame both Zuffa and JBJ. In the end they both lost credibility.
Actually agree with Sal Penis for once. This is right, they are both to blame, UFC cant escape the fact they booked a one fight card, boxing model card. Whether its because of all the injuries in recent months or too many shows the fact is the card was one fight. They have to take blame for it.
Jones has to take blame because he was scheduled to fight on that day, he was offered a replacement, a MW moving up who hasnt even been training for a fight and Jones, the LHW champ of the world said no.
those trying to put blame solely on one side are idiots, the blame goes to both sides, maybe not both sides equally I think the UFC has to take more of the blame for the weak card but Jones has to take part of the blame.
Either way its over, it happened, lets move on, the card the rest of the year are much much better, dont think anyone can really complain about the remaining PPV and Fox shows, even Fuel/FX cards are good.
lookoutawhale - if they had a strong co main event this could have still gone through. They put all their eggs in one basket like boxing does.
TO HAULPORT TOO:
Yes correct. But that does NOT matter, because if JBJ agreed to fight a weak match up of an opponent, it would not have been NEEDED to be canceled anyway! The original post explains the reason why 'their eggs (were) in one basket'. Fighters and their families are getting fed.
Thank you both for your thoughts.
OP
^ Why cancel though? Why cant the show go on without 1 fight? Just put 2 completely different fighters like Chael vs Vitor as the main headline? They did it in Calgary.
No one is saying Jones is completely exempt from this problem. He could have helped the situation but its the stance UFC has taken by solely blaming Jones for the cancellation when they had watered down the card in the first place and are not taking any responsibility for it.
They should have 3 solid fights each card for ppv and leave the guys with no name recognition to Fox cards to build up the PPV. That way if 1 fight goes down you have 2 others that make up for it. Paying $50 for 1 fight like Boxing does.
RedWhiteandFckU - dana saved mma. Right now is the best the sport has ever been. more people should appreciate what hes done instead of bitching about him. he tries to make sure we get great cards with tons of big fights and you people still aint happy.
how did dana save mma,strikeforce did well in cal,new jersey already had rules in place wec was on tv .mma was going to get here with or without dana.
Dana acted like an unprofessional shit petty shit talking CHILD....AGAIN.
LOL @ missing that somehow
Also, maybe you shouldn't put on SHIT cards w/ ONE interesting fight (which was really a VERY one sided BEATDOWN) and try to pass it off as top quality for $60.
Now who's mad ???
lol
12 -RedWhiteandFckU - dana saved mma. Right now is the best the sport has ever been. more people should appreciate what hes done instead of bitching about him. he tries to make sure we get great cards with tons of big fights and you people still aint happy.
how did dana save mma,strikeforce did well in cal,new jersey already had rules in place wec was on tv .mma was going to get here with or without dana.
What great cards are you talking about ?
Did you even see the last PPV ?
LMAO
What about this one that just fell apart ?
Great cards ???
L O L !!
lookoutawhale - ^ Why cancel though? Why cant the show go on without 1 fight? Just put 2 completely different fighters like Chael vs Vitor as the main headline? They did it in Calgary.
No one is saying Jones is completely exempt from this problem. He could have helped the situation but its the stance UFC has taken by solely blaming Jones for the cancellation when they had watered down the card in the first place and are not taking any responsibility for it.
They should have 3 solid fights each card for ppv and leave the guys with no name recognition to Fox cards to build up the PPV. That way if 1 fight goes down you have 2 others that make up for it. Paying $50 for 1 fight like Boxing does.
You said in another post that the UFC only cared about money and themselves. They 'could' have done that logically. At that venue charging what they did to fans, they may have clearly felt such a choice was not viewed as tenable. It may be the case it was a choice tied into a contract with the venue too, we're talking Mandalay Bay correct? They may likewise have felt that it would have been a 'hit' on there credibility and accompanied by a very small PPV. With such a weak card only the 'star power' of Hendo and JBJ propelled it at all.
They evaluated without question the logical choices which they had and decided they were better off 'losing' money. The option of cancelling the card is the one that cost them the most no? All the promotional $$ went down the tubes correct? Even if they held a 'poor' event and lost money some $$, would it have lost them as much?
Boxing is a different sport correct? The fighters do not have guaranteed contracts correct?
The UFC is feeding those fighters AND stood to lose the most money by cancelling correct? Where is the logic that they did what was best for themselves here (losing all $$ promotional dollars plus staff time in that effort) given your premise is correct (Chael vs Vitor) or another fight?
SKARHEAD -12 -RedWhiteandFckU - dana saved mma. Right now is the best the sport has ever been. more people should appreciate what hes done instead of bitching about him. he tries to make sure we get great cards with tons of big fights and you people still aint happy.
how did dana save mma,strikeforce did well in cal,new jersey already had rules in place wec was on tv .mma was going to get here with or without dana.
What great cards are you talking about ?
Did you even see the last PPV ?
LMAO
What about this one that just fell apart ?
Great cards ???
L O L !!
Strikeforce was bush leage nonsense and would of never taken mma into the manstream. when youre biggest star is a woman you know youre company sucks balls.
as for great cards..man bendo/edgar, cerrone/gullard, shields/herman and also okami ON THE SAME CARD..how the FUCK is that not a great card??
and thats just recent events..
MMALOGIC - I blame Dana for not being able to convince Jones to do what is in actuality in Jons best interests.
Jackson holds a lot of blame here. He poorly advised young JBJ without question.
overstander - Grampa Hendo needs to take it easy. Look at all the chaos from tweeking his knee.
Challenges poster to take IQ test
12 -RedWhiteandFckU - dana saved mma. Right now is the best the sport has ever been. more people should appreciate what hes done instead of bitching about him. he tries to make sure we get great cards with tons of big fights and you people still aint happy.
how did dana save mma,strikeforce did well in cal,new jersey already had rules in place wec was on tv .mma was going to get here with or without dana.
Well would there have been a Strikeforce if the UFC did not do what it needed to do to 'save' the sport legally (rules, excreta..)?
All of these people trashing Jones are not objective.
If you could divest from your personal and selfish thoughts for a bit, and place yourself into the mind of one of the greatest champions this sport may ever see,
and think about fighting legacy,
and think about the excellent game-planning he and his coaches execute,
and think about the vastly different type of fighter that was being offered to him,
and think about the pressure of the new sponsors,
You may be able to understand.
Then again, you may not.
Lazer MMA -lookoutawhale - ^ Why cancel though? Why cant the show go on without 1 fight? Just put 2 completely different fighters like Chael vs Vitor as the main headline? They did it in Calgary.
No one is saying Jones is completely exempt from this problem. He could have helped the situation but its the stance UFC has taken by solely blaming Jones for the cancellation when they had watered down the card in the first place and are not taking any responsibility for it.
They should have 3 solid fights each card for ppv and leave the guys with no name recognition to Fox cards to build up the PPV. That way if 1 fight goes down you have 2 others that make up for it. Paying $50 for 1 fight like Boxing does.
You said in another post that the UFC only cared about money and themselves. They 'could' have done that logically. At that venue charging what they did to fans, they may have clearly felt such a choice was not viewed as tenable. It may be the case it was a choice tied into a contract with the venue too, we're talking Mandalay Bay correct? They may likewise have felt that it would have been a 'hit' on there credibility and accompanied by a very small PPV. With such a weak card only the 'star power' of Hendo and JBJ propelled it at all.
They evaluated without question the logical choices which they had and decided they were better off 'losing' money. The option of cancelling the card is the one that cost them the most no? All the promotional $$ went down the tubes correct? Even if they held a 'poor' event and lost money some $$, would it have lost them as much?
Boxing is a different sport correct? The fighters do not have guaranteed contracts correct?
The UFC is feeding those fighters AND stood to lose the most money by cancelling correct? Where is the logic that they did what was best for themselves here (losing all $$ promotional dollars plus staff time in that effort) given your premise is correct (Chael vs Vitor) or another fight?
The UFC created a poor card and were going to charge people $60 to purchase their crappy PPV for one big fight. The one big fight fell through and they were going to lose money. So they used Jones as the scapegoat to blame their cancelled crappy card on. They should probably stop ripping people off with watered down cards.
Instead of having 1 card with atleast 3 great fights they are having 3 cards with 1 good fight to make as much money as possible. Then when 1 fight fall through and they have to cancel they blame the fighter not themselves for having such a poor plan to milk as much money as possible.
Thats what i mean with the boxing analogy. Boxing has one big fight with a whole bunch of no names as the other fights so they can make as much money as possible instead of having 3 good boxing matches in one ppv.
urbandenim -B_Goetz - So far this thread has business analysis from someone who has never run a business, and an explanation of how to be a "true fighter" from someone who has never fought.
Keep going, UG!Exactly.
"0/10 which can be proven with an 800 number and people who saw me fight. If you get a Mod to PM me I'll be happy to supply him with the 800 number and staff will put me on the line. Ignorance is bliss. The post however is irrelevant.
THIS IS ISSUE WITH THE UG. Address the argument being made NOT the person making it! The argument is either valid or no. It either uses sound logic or no. Another dumb ass UG POST."
lookoutawhale -Lazer MMA -lookoutawhale - ^ Why cancel though? Why cant the show go on without 1 fight? Just put 2 completely different fighters like Chael vs Vitor as the main headline? They did it in Calgary.
No one is saying Jones is completely exempt from this problem. He could have helped the situation but its the stance UFC has taken by solely blaming Jones for the cancellation when they had watered down the card in the first place and are not taking any responsibility for it.
They should have 3 solid fights each card for ppv and leave the guys with no name recognition to Fox cards to build up the PPV. That way if 1 fight goes down you have 2 others that make up for it. Paying $50 for 1 fight like Boxing does.
You said in another post that the UFC only cared about money and themselves. They 'could' have done that logically. At that venue charging what they did to fans, they may have clearly felt such a choice was not viewed as tenable. It may be the case it was a choice tied into a contract with the venue too, we're talking Mandalay Bay correct? They may likewise have felt that it would have been a 'hit' on there credibility and accompanied by a very small PPV. With such a weak card only the 'star power' of Hendo and JBJ propelled it at all.
They evaluated without question the logical choices which they had and decided they were better off 'losing' money. The option of cancelling the card is the one that cost them the most no? All the promotional $$ went down the tubes correct? Even if they held a 'poor' event and lost money some $$, would it have lost them as much?
Boxing is a different sport correct? The fighters do not have guaranteed contracts correct?
The UFC is feeding those fighters AND stood to lose the most money by cancelling correct? Where is the logic that they did what was best for themselves here (losing all $$ promotional dollars plus staff time in that effort) given your premise is correct (Chael vs Vitor) or another fight?
The UFC created a poor card and were going to charge people $60 to purchase their crappy PPV for one big fight. The one big fight fell through and they were going to lose money. So they used Jones as the scapegoat to blame their cancelled crappy card on. They should probably stop ripping people off with watered down cards.
Instead of having 1 card with atleast 3 great fights they are having 3 cards with 1 good fight to make as much money as possible. Then when 1 fight fall through and they have to cancel they blame the fighter not themselves for having such a poor plan to milk as much money as possible.
Thats what i mean with the boxing analogy. Boxing has one big fight with a whole bunch of no names as the other fights so they can make as much money as possible instead of having 3 good boxing matches in one ppv.
exactingly, the only way to blame the UFC per the original post is to say "I know better", 'there is a better way to do things'.
Yes, I said myself that is was a very weak card supported by the star power of a main event. The UFC, feeding so many fighters (and there families) and having decided to be as big as possible and never being in control how many stars will arise at one period of time took risks in there decision to grow the company to the degree such a thing at some point would be possible.
That risk was realized because JBJ refused to fight.
In effect you blame the UFC and think you know better and I do not think I know better and sit on that high horse.
I know the risk was realized because asponsored fighter who was prepared to fight refused to fight a weaker opponent
(or even any) even though he stood to collect that fighters portion of the purse in addition to his own!
You can't make this stuff up!
How many stars does the UFC have that would have even been able to support those fights on the rest of the cards? So the answer to to dump the fighters?
Kneeblock - I just saw this thread and can see your reasoning, but this is my rebuttal from another thread:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=2051627&page=1&pc=1
Well to a certain degree we agree; however, fighters fight hurt all the time (if not most). Hendo reinjured the knee and that was the issue.
The post directly above yours (mine) to me supersedes your argument to a long way.
It should be added though that not did JBJ refuse to fight a badly outclasses opponent but one who was not in shape and did not have time to prepare at all really. He was giving his purse money to JBJ. Sick bro!
lookoutawhale - Should have included the last paragraph above too on the post back to you boss. Sorry
The UFCs position in the growth of the sport has nothing to do with this. nothing to do with this. Jon Jones is under a contract and fulfilled his contract so far, that's it. The UFC created the event and conditions where it felt it could no longer run the card, and used Jones as a scapegoat because of their poor event planning which he and the rest of the fighters were victim of.
The UFC is solely responsible for this, not Jones. If you think Jones is, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're being jealous, because the rational behind Jones being at fault is "crab in the bucket" guilt trips as though he's responsible for other fighters careers outside of his contractual obligations.