In 2003, when they got face to face, was anyone else hoping they made the fight? Anyone think Sapp actually had a chance against him? I think Tyson would’ve wrecked him in K-1, even prime Sapp that beat Hoost gets ko’ed quick by a past-his-prime Tyson.
Who else would you have liked to see Tyson fight in K-1? How far could he make it with just his boxing?
I think its very possible that Sapp could have rushed him and gotten some kind of messy stupid stoppage win tbh. Tyson was a shell at that point and Sapp would have had a massive size and strength advantage.
Most of the more legit K-1 guys would have finished Mike fast with kicks, but him vs Botha, Mercer, Butterbean, Goodridge or Igor would have been fun.
“Sign the contract Bob”
LOL
I was excited about that until I realized it was all for show.
I think Tyson would have KO’d him pretty quickly. But the size difference could have made things interesting.
onepunchJD - "Sign the contract Bob"LOL
I was excited about that until I realized it was all for show.
I think Tyson would have KO’d him pretty quickly. But the size difference could have made things interesting.
I thought he said “siiign the contrary big boyyy!” But either way I was finally getting fully immersed in mma and somewhat in K1 in 03 when this happened and was like YESSSSS
Non N00B -onepunchJD - "Sign the contract Bob"LOL
I was excited about that until I realized it was all for show.
I think Tyson would have KO’d him pretty quickly. But the size difference could have made things interesting.
I thought he said “siiign the contrary big boyyy!” But either way I was finally getting fully immersed in mma and somewhat in K1 in 03 when this happened and was like YESSSSS
I’d have to watch it again.
Pretty sure I remember Sapp calling him Kid “punk” Dynamite.
^^^^“I heard they call you Kid Dynamite, well I’m gonna put your fuse out”
How do you think Tyson would do in K-1 vs all of the following at that time:
JLB?
Hunt?
Remy?
Schilt?
Am I crazy to think that he had a chance against all of them? Would have a hard time getting past Remy and Schilt’s kicks, but if he found his range, their chins would probably not hold up. He’d have the opposite problem with JLB and Hunt, tough chins and heavy hands.
He'd have a decent shot at Hunt as there'd be virtually no height/reach difference and Hunt has never been much of a kicker. If Le Banner relied too much on his hands like he did vs Botha theres definitely an outside chance for Tyson to win that too.
I think Schilt and Remy take him out fast. Pretty much one head kick fast.
Teenage Mutant Lesnar Turtle -I was thinking the same. Remy and Semmy would chop down his legs with a few kicks, then off with his head.He'd have a decent shot at Hunt as there'd be virtually no height/reach difference and Hunt has never been much of a kicker. If Le Banner relied too much on his hands like he did vs Botha theres definitely an outside chance for Tyson to win that too.
I think Schilt and Remy take him out fast. Pretty much one head kick fast.
MMAQuadfather - How do you think Tyson would do in K-1 vs all of the following at that time:JLB?
Hunt?
Remy?
Schilt?
Am I crazy to think that he had a chance against all of them? Would have a hard time getting past Remy and Schilt’s kicks, but if he found his range, their chins would probably not hold up. He’d have the opposite problem with JLB and Hunt, tough chins and heavy hands.
He would break his hands on a prime hunt’s face and wilt once he realizes Hunt isnt going anywhere. Schilt would kick his head off from the other side of the ring, Lebanner could batter him or get clipped, if they had a trilogy, Le Banner wins at least 2 of them, not sure on Remy, CroCop murders him.
MMAQuadfather - How do you think Tyson would do in K-1 vs all of the following at that time:JLB?
Hunt?
Remy?
Schilt?
Am I crazy to think that he had a chance against all of them? Would have a hard time getting past Remy and Schilt’s kicks, but if he found his range, their chins would probably not hold up. He’d have the opposite problem with JLB and Hunt, tough chins and heavy hands.
Remy and Schilt would be tall orders. Even if we were talking late 80’s Tyson at his best – he just didn’t have the training and experience to deal with the kicks and knees. If he could somehow corner them or get them against the ropes, he certainly had the ability to end it with one solid combination. Problem is – even if he avoids the knees coming in – he would be reaching up (especially with Schilt) to connect and lose some power. If Tyson could hurt them to the body first, that would be his best opportunity IMO. But if these guys can circle and land multiple leg kicks while avoiding any close range exchanges – I could see an early TKO just from leg kicks alone. Even seasoned Full-Contact kickboxers have been caught by surprise when transitioning to rules that allow leg kicks. If you haven’t learned to respect them and trained to defend them – you are at a huge disadvantage against leg kicks.
Schilt and Remy would have as much advantage over Tyson in the kickboxing arena, as he would have over him in a boxing match.
JLB and Hunt might be a different story though.
Non N00B mentioned above that Hunt’s chin could hold up to a Tyson onslaught. I disagree. While Hunt certainly has one of the most solid China we have seen in combat sports – he is human – and he has been KO’d before. A skilled boxer who uses the rules to avoid or attempt to avoid Tyson landing clean, is a different situation than Mark Hunt eating head shots and betting he hits harder. In the case of Tyson – as hard as Hunt hits – he would be wrong. On top of that, the types of punching exchanges Hunt tends to favor are going to be to Tyson’s advantage. Tyson is not only faster – he would be able to react and counter as if Hunt was moving in slow motion. I he did get clipped – Tyson had one of the great chins at heavyweight. Hunt would be better off to fight his instincts and attempt to use what kicks he did have to frustrate and damage Tyson from a distance.
I could see JLB fighting smart and using kicks to damage and dictate range of exchanges. But I can also see him getting caught up in the moment and attempting to trade with Tyson. Bad idea.
In these cases – if kickboxer are attempting to go toe-2-toe with Tyson – they are playing a game that Tyson on a much higher level. It would be like Mike fighting very skilled Toughman competitors. He is on another level.
For the kickboxers to win, they would need to use the aspects of kickboxing Tyson is most inexperienced in dealing with. Kicks, knees from clinch, etc.
Guys like Hunt and JLB might be more apt to test the waters – making guys like Schilt and Remy the safer bets of the 4, IMO.
onepunchJD -MMAQuadfather - How do you think Tyson would do in K-1 vs all of the following at that time:JLB?
Hunt?
Remy?
Schilt?
Am I crazy to think that he had a chance against all of them? Would have a hard time getting past Remy and Schilt’s kicks, but if he found his range, their chins would probably not hold up. He’d have the opposite problem with JLB and Hunt, tough chins and heavy hands.
Remy and Schilt would be tall orders. Even if we were talking late 80’s Tyson at his best – he just didn’t have the training and experience to deal with the kicks and knees. If he could somehow corner them or get them against the ropes, he certainly had the ability to end it with one solid combination. Problem is – even if he avoids the knees coming in – he would be reaching up (especially with Schilt) to connect and lose some power. If Tyson could hurt them to the body first, that would be his best opportunity IMO. But if these guys can circle and land multiple leg kicks while avoiding any close range exchanges – I could see an early TKO just from leg kicks alone. Even seasoned Full-Contact kickboxers have been caught by surprise when transitioning to rules that allow leg kicks. If you haven’t learned to respect them and trained to defend them – you are at a huge disadvantage against leg kicks.
Schilt and Remy would have as much advantage over Tyson in the kickboxing arena, as he would have over him in a boxing match.
JLB and Hunt might be a different story though.
Non N00B mentioned above that Hunt’s chin could hold up to a Tyson onslaught. I disagree. While Hunt certainly has one of the most solid China we have seen in combat sports – he is human – and he has been KO’d before. A skilled boxer who uses the rules to avoid or attempt to avoid Tyson landing clean, is a different situation than Mark Hunt eating head shots and betting he hits harder. In the case of Tyson – as hard as Hunt hits – he would be wrong. On top of that, the types of punching exchanges Hunt tends to favor are going to be to Tyson’s advantage. Tyson is not only faster – he would be able to react and counter as if Hunt was moving in slow motion. I he did get clipped – Tyson had one of the great chins at heavyweight. Hunt would be better off to fight his instincts and attempt to use what kicks he did have to frustrate and damage Tyson from a distance.
I could see JLB fighting smart and using kicks to damage and dictate range of exchanges. But I can also see him getting caught up in the moment and attempting to trade with Tyson. Bad idea.
In these cases – if kickboxer are attempting to go toe-2-toe with Tyson – they are playing a game that Tyson on a much higher level. It would be like Mike fighting very skilled Toughman competitors. He is on another level.
For the kickboxers to win, they would need to use the aspects of kickboxing Tyson is most inexperienced in dealing with. Kicks, knees from clinch, etc.
Guys like Hunt and JLB might be more apt to test the waters – making guys like Schilt and Remy the safer bets of the 4, IMO.
He’s been ko’d "before" but not around that time. If 5 cro cop head kicks in 2 fights couldnt take him out, neither are anybody’s punches during that era. People act like Tyson 1 punch ko’d everybody he ever matched up with…he didnt.
Sapp barely beat Kimo in order to get his day with Tyson. Tyson would kill him even in 2003.
Can’t help but think Hunto would have hurt Tyson permanently.
Non N00B -onepunchJD -MMAQuadfather - How do you think Tyson would do in K-1 vs all of the following at that time:JLB?
Hunt?
Remy?
Schilt?
Am I crazy to think that he had a chance against all of them? Would have a hard time getting past Remy and Schilt’s kicks, but if he found his range, their chins would probably not hold up. He’d have the opposite problem with JLB and Hunt, tough chins and heavy hands.
Remy and Schilt would be tall orders. Even if we were talking late 80’s Tyson at his best – he just didn’t have the training and experience to deal with the kicks and knees. If he could somehow corner them or get them against the ropes, he certainly had the ability to end it with one solid combination. Problem is – even if he avoids the knees coming in – he would be reaching up (especially with Schilt) to connect and lose some power. If Tyson could hurt them to the body first, that would be his best opportunity IMO. But if these guys can circle and land multiple leg kicks while avoiding any close range exchanges – I could see an early TKO just from leg kicks alone. Even seasoned Full-Contact kickboxers have been caught by surprise when transitioning to rules that allow leg kicks. If you haven’t learned to respect them and trained to defend them – you are at a huge disadvantage against leg kicks.
Schilt and Remy would have as much advantage over Tyson in the kickboxing arena, as he would have over him in a boxing match.
JLB and Hunt might be a different story though.
Non N00B mentioned above that Hunt’s chin could hold up to a Tyson onslaught. I disagree. While Hunt certainly has one of the most solid China we have seen in combat sports – he is human – and he has been KO’d before. A skilled boxer who uses the rules to avoid or attempt to avoid Tyson landing clean, is a different situation than Mark Hunt eating head shots and betting he hits harder. In the case of Tyson – as hard as Hunt hits – he would be wrong. On top of that, the types of punching exchanges Hunt tends to favor are going to be to Tyson’s advantage. Tyson is not only faster – he would be able to react and counter as if Hunt was moving in slow motion. I he did get clipped – Tyson had one of the great chins at heavyweight. Hunt would be better off to fight his instincts and attempt to use what kicks he did have to frustrate and damage Tyson from a distance.
I could see JLB fighting smart and using kicks to damage and dictate range of exchanges. But I can also see him getting caught up in the moment and attempting to trade with Tyson. Bad idea.
In these cases – if kickboxer are attempting to go toe-2-toe with Tyson – they are playing a game that Tyson on a much higher level. It would be like Mike fighting very skilled Toughman competitors. He is on another level.
For the kickboxers to win, they would need to use the aspects of kickboxing Tyson is most inexperienced in dealing with. Kicks, knees from clinch, etc.
Guys like Hunt and JLB might be more apt to test the waters – making guys like Schilt and Remy the safer bets of the 4, IMO.
He’s been ko’d "before" but not around that time. If 5 cro cop head kicks in 2 fights couldnt take him out, neither are anybody’s punches during that era. People act like Tyson 1 punch ko’d everybody he ever matched up with…he didnt.
No but there is a difference between skilled boxers carefully avoiding clean punches --and Hunt blocking strikes with his head.
A few Tyson hooks and uppercuts to the jaw that Hunt wouldn’t be braced for – because he doesn’t see them coming – are certainly a test for any chin.
Not to mention the difference in speed and boxing skill in the punching exchanges. If Hunt fought the way he likes to fight – it would be like slow motion to Tyson.
I didn’t say Hunt couldn’t win though. Just that he would have to alter his gameplan to utilize the weapons Tyson isn’t experienced defending.
Toe -2- Toe slugfest favors Tyson.