Why do some call it Darce? Honest question
I always thought the brabo used the collar. Darce is from Joe D'Arce. Not sure if Danaher teaching him the choke is true or not.
because when you reference a move by someone who's known to do it and do it very well...it sort of gains that name..."That move that x does"... The Faria half guard sweep.
While I'll admit, I use a Leite style half. I don't call it that. It's just another name to work half. Maybe I'm just being a shit, but when I hear "Darce" it drives me crazy & want to correct them
IIRC, in the beginning the "brabo" was indeed a gi choke and then the name ultimately spread to the no-gi variant.
Around the same time, Joe D'Arce was using the no-gi choke and people were attaching his name to it. I seem to recall some folks saying his name is pronounced Dee-Arr-See rather than "darss" so there's another level of confusion as to what it should properly be called.
Interesting I battled with this a bit before filming an instructional
I remember a brabo being a gi choke
then came all the rush of darce Marce stuff.
I still call it a brabo very often bc of an old favorite instructional that had me playing it Position Brabo by Bjorn Fredrich
I recently created my first instructional using the term The Darce killer
I threw in on the title list as D'arce out of respect
I think when you are trying to remember something even more so share it with the community you have to go with what everyone associates it as
Which is Darce pronounced darss
twinkletoesCT -I knew the history, like I said above....in probably just whining....I know it's guilt by association with technique
IIRC, in the beginning the "brabo" was indeed a gi choke and then the name ultimately spread to the no-gi variant.
Around the same time, Joe D'Arce was using the no-gi choke and people were attaching his name to it. I seem to recall some folks saying his name is pronounced Dee-Arr-See rather than "darss" so there's another level of confusion as to what it should properly be called.
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i like to call it an arm triangle to piss even more people off
baby-silverback -twinkletoesCT -I knew the history, like I said above....in probably just whining....I know it's guilt by association with technique
IIRC, in the beginning the "brabo" was indeed a gi choke and then the name ultimately spread to the no-gi variant.
Around the same time, Joe D'Arce was using the no-gi choke and people were attaching his name to it. I seem to recall some folks saying his name is pronounced Dee-Arr-See rather than "darss" so there's another level of confusion as to what it should properly be called.
So you meant...."honest rhetorical question?" :)
walbjj - inverted reverse arm triangle might be perfectly accurate. (inverted arm triangle would be anaconda...?)
walbjj has me thinking: what would a neutral but accurate name be?
Let's see here....a regular triangle choke with the legs is triangled on the arm side and facing the opponent.
When the legs are triangled on the near side it's a "reverse triangle".
Now, life gets tricky after that because some people use "reverse" triangle when talking about 2 other things. The first is what I think we would agree is called "inverted triangle", where I'm facing his legs instead of his head:
The other is when a triangle is applied from behind - facing the back of his head, I suppose. I think of this as a "rear" triangle or a "triangle from behind" but I see people use reverse/inverted as the name:
It seems to me that if we say that a triangle can be "reversed" (triangled near the head, not the arm), "inverted" (triangled facing his body and not his head) and "rear" (facing the back of his head, not the front), then we can apply the same lenses to triangles with the arms. (to be continued)
A regular triangle choke with the arms is done in a similar body alignment to the regular triangle with the legs - facing his face, not his body, not the back of his head, and triangling on the side of the "inside arm":
Pics of variations are proving tougher here, but let's get some general illustrations. I'm not sure that anyone reverses the arms in a typical arm triangle situation, so let's look at going to an inverted position:
If Jeff Monson were to triangle his arms, I'd say it's fair to call that an "inverted" arm triangle, since it matches the inverted leg triangle body relationship.
I had a blue belt student who, for years, would arm triangle people from the back. I don't have any pics, and apparently, neither does google. But if one were to take Monson's position above, and turn his opponent so that he's choking from behind him, one finds the anaconda choke there:
Props to Stephan for the best, clearest photo of it. So the anaconda, then, must be the inverted arm triangle from behind. (Facing the back of his head, and facing his torso rather than his head).
If we reverse the arms, we come to the d'arce / brabo choke:
I fully recognize that the body angles vary in application. Sometimes one is nearly parallel, and other times it's a much stranger angle. I'm not troubled by this, as far as nomenclature goes.
But OP, I think we've got an answer for you: you can freely call it the Reverse Inverted Arm Triangle from Behind.
Or, you know...D'arce / Brabo ;)
walbjj -
i like to call it an arm triangle to piss even more people off
Hah! I'm gonna start calling triangles, leg brabo/darce to piss off even more people!
deepu -that made me chucklewalbjj -
i like to call it an arm triangle to piss even more people off
Hah! I'm gonna start calling triangles, leg brabo/darce to piss off even more people!
Mark Laimon made it really popuar at the tournaments because he'd always scream "DARCE, DARCE!". Eventually it got picked up. I think it's similar to "The Gable Grip". I'm not sure, but I don't think it's called that in wrestling.
baby-silverback - While I'll admit, I use a Leite style half. I don't call it that. It's just another name to work half. Maybe I'm just being a shit, but when I hear "Darce" it drives me crazy & want to correct themI learned it as the darce choke. That's why I call it that. I learned later it was originally called the brabo.
I feel the same way about people calling jiujitsu "jitz".
deepu -Leg brabo. U have just taken it to the next level. This is some Eddie bravo renaming shit right here. I like itwalbjj -
i like to call it an arm triangle to piss even more people off
Hah! I'm gonna start calling triangles, leg brabo/darce to piss off even more people!
Wutang -Mark Laimon made it really popuar at the tournaments because he'd always scream "DARCE, DARCE!". Eventually it got picked up. I think it's similar to "The Gable Grip". I'm not sure, but I don't think it's called that in wrestling.
Gable or butterfly grip
Laimon definitely had a part in it
I don't remember what year it was so popular but the whole marce darce thing was like the honey hole of today
Anyways all in all the history is important. Guys paved the way so other guys could better it or try and undo it. It's interesting.
You're just old school Joel!
Us young bucks call it the d'arce because it sounds cooler. :)
I learned the brabo as a collar choke variation.