Dave Schultz stories

A lot of people probably don’t know about him. Other than maybe if you saw Foxcatcher. He was Mark’s older brother and basically universally loved by the wrestling world. When he lost at a tournament in Russia the fans booed the Russian who won because they liked Dave more. After he was murdered by John DuPont, there was the possibility DuPont could get paroled. Supposedly the Russian mafia in the US would have left pieces of DuPont to be found or stuffed him into a suitcase if he had ever gotten out. He died in prison so that never happened. Dave was really ahead of his time from a technical standpoint. He had all kinds of tricks and would do some very awkward things. Above all he was brutal on the mat but would be your best friend afterwards and tell you how to fix it. Here’s a few stories about him.

From Randy Lewis who won gold in 1984: Dave was a great friend of mine, and we were teammates many times and were at training camps together many times, but I only got on the mat with him one time, for a total of just one minute. I would often roll around with bigger wrestlers in practice, but I was always afraid to wrestle Dave Schultz. Dave was the nicest guy in the world off the mat, but I knew that on the mat he was a different animal. I had seen enough of Dave Schultz in matches and in practice to know that on the mat he was as Stephen A Smith would say “A BAD MAN!!!”
I always felt like if I were to wrestle him, I would be unable to protect myself. It turns out I was correct!!! I remember one time at the 1984 Olympic training camp and Dave didn’t have a partner and he asked me if I wanted to roll around a little. I said “Dave, I am not ever going to wrestle with you until I am retired! I don’t want to get hurt!” One year later, I had temporarily retired, and I was at a world team practice and guys were switching partners, and Dave said to me “Lewboo, now that you are retired you want to roll with me?” I said “Not really but I will for a little bit.” Just as I got paired up with Dave, coach Jim Humphries, who was running the practice announced, “1 minute periods, par terre, world team member on top!” I thought, really, one minute underneath Dave Schultz, that doesn’t sound very fun! Well, it took about 15 seconds for Dave to get my right foot placed up over my left ear, bending my body in a very painful way! My knee, my hip, my back, my neck, and my shoulder were all being wrenched at the same time! Pain was shooting through my entire body, and I was trying to roll over onto my back as fast as I could! Unfortunately for me I couldn’t move! Somehow, my neck and head got twisted so that my mouth and nose were stuck in the mat, and I couldn’t breathe. Not only was my body in severe pain, but now I was also suffocating, and I couldn’t reach Dave with either of my hands to tap out. My body somehow got stuck in a position where I couldn’t roll over, and Dave kept cranking harder and harder to try and turn me. I was stuck in this position for about 45 seconds, in severe pain and suffocating, unable to turn over and just as I started to black out, coach Humphries saved my LIFE by blowing the whistle. Dave let me go, and I rolled over onto my back, sobbing uncontrollably, and hyperventilating trying to catch my breath. Dave looked at me and said, wow, I can’t believe you didn’t turn over, I was really cranking hard. I said I was trying as hard as I could to turn over, but I couldn’t. I cried like a baby for about 5 minutes straight after that, and I never wrestled with Dave Schultz again. I have told this story to many other wrestlers when they ask me about Dave, and I follow it up by saying yeah, Dave was pretty good on top, but he couldn’t turn me! Writing this brings tears to my eyes and I and the wrestling world miss Dave so much, he was such a great person and such a great wrestler.

And from the late, great Brother Morris Johnston:
"Since most of our guys were first-year wrestlers, and most of our tournaments were 0-2 and bar-b-que, Coach K worried that we were getting knocked out so fast that we never had a chance to watch really good wrestlers compete, so he made a rule that we had to stay at the tourney until he said we could leave, which usually wasn’t until after our weight class finals. This was great as we got to see a lot of guys whom we would never get to observe unless we were wrestling against them. Even then it was hard to really observe someone who was headlocking you into oblivion, or blast doubling you across two mats! I was lucky enough to be able to watch Dave Schultz on occasion and it was truly a learning session, each and every match. Seeing how he made up for a seeming lack of strength by applying excruciating leverage to one particular joint, and never letting up on that joint until the guy either turned over or the body part turned purple and fell off! Just watching Dave taught me that one of the major aspects of the sport is to impose your will, not just on your opponent, but on the body part of your opponent that you wished to claim as your own. Even if you weren’t the strongest guy in the world, you could pretty much overpower any body part of your opponent with focus, determination and a clear idea of where and why you want that part to go in a certain direction. This was a true revelation to me and introduced the concept of FOCUS into my wrestling ideology, something I never forgot.

" … I had been so very fortunate to have been able to watch Dave several dozen times over the years and even practice with him once or twice. I was a better wrestler by now, having won a Jr. World medal, made a world university team as well as US teams to Cuba, Romania and Germany. My folkstyle was getting a little stronger too, as I placed at the Midlands and had taken 2nd at the D2 nationals, with a generous portion of what I knew and used coming from those observations of and the rare but valuable private coaching sessions (in exchange for being the willing recipient of Dave’s artful mayhem).

"There was one story that I have shared here before, but will again at the risk of being redundant.

This story took place during my senior year, while I was wrestling as a heavyweight at San Francisco State. We had a home dual meet against Stanford University, where Dave was the assistant coach. As I mentioned earlier, I was a D2 runner-up at heavyweight and ranked in the top 4 or 5 at heavyweight in AWN. I was also 2nd on the Olympic Greco ladder for the upcoming Olympic Trials that coming spring/summer. Dave had been doing ok himself, having just won his first world championship and had placed 3rd at 180.5 the previous year. I was not aware that prior to the match, Coach Chris Horpel of Stanford and Dave had gotten together with my coach and informed him that they had no heavyweight and would have to forfeit our match. Dave came up with the idea of he and I having a freestyle exhibition match that they could bill as ‘Battle of future Olympians’ or some such. My coach agreed with the idea, but, thinking that he had a sense of humor, told Dave and Chris not to mention anything to me about it until we went out to shake hands! Coach then came over to me and said that Stanford had this great new transfer from Oregon, but he had to weigh in earlier in the afternoon because of a big final that he had to take. He was driving up with one of the assistant coaches and would definitely be there by match time, so I should stay warm and get ready for a war! Well, that got me juiced up and I went around the gym, stretching and shooting and hitting fake throws and such. I noticed Schultz in sweats, riding a stationary bike on his team’s side, but I thought ‘that’s just Schultz. He’s always warming up in sweats and wrestling shoes!’ By the time the 165-pounder went out, there was still no Stanford beast, so I ambled back over to Coach and asked what the story was. He said they had just called in from a gas station and were about 20 min. away, so make sure I was warm he said, giving me a stern look. Finally the 190 pounders were out shaking hands. I noticed that Dave had removed his sweats and was just stretching on the floor with one of his Stanford boys. I kept looking around the room, but didn’t see anybody who looked like a heavyweight. The 190 match ended quickly with a fall, I stripped down, thinking that I had figured it out … I was getting a forfeit!

"Ha! I walked out onto the mat and here comes Dave at the same time. Odd. The PA guy was also announcing our international and national records too, which was real odd for a dual meet! What the heck? I looked back and my coach and teammates were laughing their heads off, as was the Stanford coaches and our AD. I smiled at Dave, and with only a bit of cracking in my voice said ‘Hey man, you wouldn’t be the transfer from Oregon would you?’ Dave just smiled some more and said ‘Let’s have some fun, Morris. Show these guys what freestyle is all about.’ :shock: . We shook hands and, as with most matches, the fear was quickly replaced by adrenalin. Dave took a quick outside single. I thought, ‘Bad move man.’ I clamped down on a hard whizzer and prepared to hit him with my famous double over, hip toss. Somehow though, instead of my heel and calf catching his knee and thigh, sending him flying over my hip, Dave took a little step backwards and around to his right. The next thing I recall was my head, back and shoulders all hitting the mat at approximately the same time, with pretty remarkable force! After the ringing in my ears started to dissipate, to be replaced by the ‘oooohhhhs’ and ‘aaahhhhhs’ punctuated with the occasional ‘Oh my God!’ or girlish scream. I checked my mouth to make sure that the girlish scream wasn’t coming from my mouth, but it was pretty much locked shut from shock and awe! Dave hopped on top right away and I braced myself in my best gut wrench defense! I guess it was so good that Dave didn’t want to even try and turn me with it, so he reached back and grabbed my left foot with his right hand. He cranked it up and over my shoulder with so much force, I really didn’t feel much pain … .until he crossfaced me with his left arm and drove my face from the mat to my right shoulder. I managed to open one eye and looked to my right side (Mr. Schultz didn’t want me to look at my left side, and I thought it best to cooperate with his wishes from that point on. I noticed Dave’s wrestling shoes and I recall thinking "Oh wow, Dave and I wear the same kind of wrestling shoes! It took a few minutes before I realized that I was looking at my own foot, planted nicely right next to my face! Well, at least I knew were to look for it after the match! Luckily for me, our AD was officiating this match as it was an exhibition. We went a few more minutes, with my AD stopping the match several times for potentially dangerous (I was wondering why he didn’t do this right after the handshake!

“Time [FINALLY] ran out. I stayed until Dave’s hand was raised and started walking off the mat, looking for the nearest ice machine to crawl into! It was my first and only collegiate loss at my home gym, and I was too sore to even whisper the word ‘bummer!’, much less say it out loud in front of Dave. Before I could step off the mat however, I felt this hairy, sinewy arm wrap itself around my neck and shoulders and who else but Dave Schultz was escorting me off the mat. And just like the Dave Schultz we all know and LOVE, he sat down next to me and told me I did a good job out there, and that I just need work on defending the single leg, and a better way to keep my balance on my once famous hip toss, and how he expected me to dominate at D2 nationals (I did) and the Olympic trials (took 3rd) so that he can say he had a close one against a CHAMPION, not some scrub that just fell off the onion truck! That was Dave. Who else could beat you like a rented mule and leave you feeling like you were just a move or two away? Who else could pound your head on the mat and reframe it into a small mistake that you make on your way to a potent offense? No one but Dave Schultz. We miss you man. Miss you and love you and for many, many, many of us, you are still just a heartbeat away.”

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Thanks for compiling some cool stories.

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Thanks OP.

The Schultz headlock got me out of a huge Jiu Jitsu plateau.

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Kenny Monday talking about training with Schultz are some amazing stories

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Here is a good one from Royce Alger.

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I was in the locker room at Foxcatcher with my brother. I was going through our bag frantically looking for my shoes. I was 12 years old or so. I had forgotten them. My brother quipped, “Dad is going to kill you!” Just as he said that, in comes Dave Schultz. Dave saw my dejection and asked if I needed to borrow a pair of shoes. He asked my shoe size, I said, eight and a half. He said great and threw me a pair of Adidas (the turquoise and pink ones). I hot rodded those shoes all night, didn’t give up one takedown. Felt like a champ, I will never forget that, he made my night!

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That is awesome!!! Fuck yeah!!!

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I remember when he came out of retirement and wrestled at Nationals. I stood mat side in Vegas and was in awe.

The famous story tells who he was- he beats an Iranian champion in the finals of a major world tourney and after shaking hands put his arm around his foe and walked him over to the warm up mat where he showed him counters to some things he scored with.

I worked with all wrestlers when John “the pile of shit” killed him. We all stood around the tv with tears in our eyes. Afterwards my boss said, “ fuck no more work today go buy us some beers”.

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Matt Hughes put out Ricardo Alameida with it. It’s nasty, and some softer training partners would get pissed but it’s a fucking dominant move to finish or take the back.

In gi, I set it up as normal, switch from gable grip to a lapel grip (tight with very heavy shoulder pressure on the back of the head ((that’s key)). Then shove my head under the opponents armpit, while reaching for a pant grip. If you hold it there it’s a neck crank turned blood choke.

If you watch older Schultz videos and even in the one I posted, he transitions to the back right before the opponent starts to doze, you can tell because they’re a bit limp during the transition.

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Amazing!

@Siciliano

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Also, tomorrow is Dave’s bday’ wild timing OP!

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Schultz was a scrapper

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Things like what he does at :55 are why he was so unique and feared. Never seen anyone else do that.

Also remembered a coach of mine wrestled him at the open or Sunkist in 95 and loves to tell this story. So before the match Dave comes over and recognized my coach and was telling him stuff like hey you should try this or this might work for you with your build, etc. And my coach says, “Hey uh you know we have to wrestle in like 20 minutes?” And Dave was like yeah yeah, hey let me show you this other thing you might like. I think Bobby Douglas was coaching and my coach asked him what he should do against Dave. Bobby says, “If you shoot he is gonna front headlock and choke you. And if you tie up he is gonna throw you. Your choice.” Whatever it was Dave won a pretty one sided match. So afterwards Dave saw my coach and was like “Hey let me show you this. It would have countered what I was doing.”

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Hes a great story teller.

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Great Kolat video

It’s that move where you decide not to be on your back with your legs spread wide open.

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