It's crazy how many people still think the brabo choke is the bravo choke. People still come up to me at tournies and tell me how much they love my choke, meanwhile i am still trying to master it :)
i heard it called the darce way before the brabo. First time I heard it called brabo was when female bjj black belt Gazzy Parman came up to me at GQ and said, "Hey, I'm loving your choke" :)
As I understand it, the Brabo was first used by Leozinho (I'm not sure on this). In Brazil they called it the Brabo after him (apparently his e-mail was Brabo at hotmail or some variation).
John Danaher, the mad scientist of Renzo's really put the polish on the choke and taught it, one person who really took well to it (who happened to be very good at chokes anyway) was Joe D'Arce. Note the choke wasn't named anything at the time, at least John didn't give it a name.
Joe D'Arce is in Vegas rolling with the Cobra Kai and proceeds to tap out many with a choke they have never seen before. They learn it and love it, and name it (they name virtually every move internally) the Darce choke, in honor of Joe D'Arce. As Cobra Kai competes A LOT, it wasn't long before the choke was making it's way through the tournament scene and everyone else was calling it the Darce as well.
Meanwhile, back in NYC, everyone including Joe D'Arce and John Danaher have had a good laugh on how the choke got around and the naming convention. John has actually moved beyond the choke however, and in the bowels of Renzo's academy they are working on variation like the "Barce" and the "Marce" that have yet to be unleashed on the unsuspecting public.
I would argue the most innovative and successful competitor with the Darce choke would be Jeff Glover, who is able to hit them from any position, including a variation he likes to do when he is UNDERNEATH someones side control. Wrap your head around THAT for a moment.
While it's true that the Brabo choke was in existence and used well before the Darce choke, I would argue that the Darce choke has been far more game changing and since it's introduction has drastically affected tournament strategies and training. For example, no less than the king of half guard, Gordo has declared the "Old School" sweep is all but dead now because of the Darce choke. (Because the setup for the old school leads one especially open to the Darce, which everyone is trying).
To distinguish the two when teaching or writing I think of the Brabo I tend to think of the gi version of the choke, and the Darce as the no gi version.
Gumby
American BJJ historian among other things.
Gumby - As I understand it, the Brabo was first used by Leozinho (I'm not sure on this). In Brazil they called it the Brabo after him (apparently his e-mail was Brabo at hotmail or some variation).
John Danaher, the mad scientist of Renzo's really put the polish on the choke and taught it, one person who really took well to it (who happened to be very good at chokes anyway) was Joe D'Arce. Note the choke wasn't named anything at the time, at least John didn't give it a name.
Joe D'Arce is in Vegas rolling with the Cobra Kai and proceeds to tap out many with a choke they have never seen before. They learn it and love it, and name it (they name virtually every move internally) the Darce choke, in honor of Joe D'Arce. As Cobra Kai competes A LOT, it wasn't long before the choke was making it's way through the tournament scene and everyone else was calling it the Darce as well.
Meanwhile, back in NYC, everyone including Joe D'Arce and John Danaher have had a good laugh on how the choke got around and the naming convention. John has actually moved beyond the choke however, and in the bowels of Renzo's academy they are working on variation like the "Barce" and the "Marce" that have yet to be unleashed on the unsuspecting public.
I would argue the most innovative and successful competitor with the Darce choke would be Jeff Glover, who is able to hit them from any position, including a variation he likes to do when he is UNDERNEATH someones side control. Wrap your head around THAT for a moment.
While it's true that the Brabo choke was in existence and used well before the Darce choke, I would argue that the Darce choke has been far more game changing and since it's introduction has drastically affected tournament strategies and training. For example, no less than the king of half guard, Gordo has declared the "Old School" sweep is all but dead now because of the Darce choke. (Because the setup for the old school leads one especially open to the Darce, which everyone is trying).
To distinguish the two when teaching or writing I think of the Brabo I tend to think of the gi version of the choke, and the Darce as the no gi version.
Gumby
American BJJ historian among other things.
Great post.
EddieBravo -TrainBJJ - Eddie, quit disrespecting people to further your own cause...It doesnt work that way...Are you upset that they named it after him instead of you or that you spent more time and he gets the credit? Either way you are coming off as a catty bitch....
what the fuck are talking about??? This has nothing to do with my cause, I am like a purple belt with the darce choke, i'm still polishing it, you must be on meth dude
I am:)
Lumbricus terrestris - nah, old school works great still. you just have to underhook by their leg instead of the middle of their back. if they insist on it you get the easy reverse sweep when you trap their overhook.
Lucas Leites still does the old school type sweep with great success.
The Darce choke was invented by 10th Planet brown belt Brandon Quick. He has a DVD on this 10th Planet innovation.
You also can check out this and every other aspect of the 10th Planet system on Ari "The Flash" Khazan's youtube videos - which were detailed enough to earn him both the coveted purple shirt and a Keith Owen BJJ (TM) 4 stripe blue belt.
I don't understand the question M Colins. Quick was a purple belt in Gracie Combatives (TM) under Sgt Rock before being awarded his brown belt in 10th Planet JJ by the system's founder.
overhand knife strike by bravo to bravo choke.... no can defend
lol @ Quincy Rice trolling Eddie.
to me:
brabo is when you use the skirt of the opponents gi for the choke. yes, made famous by Leo V.
Darce is no gi arm triangle... not to be confused with the gator roll... or you may call in the anaconda, like when Big Nog did it.
all in all, these are just arm triangle variations, but i like having names for them simply as a reference point.
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I guess you could look at the darce as a triangle variation. i've never really thought of like that. I always viewed them to be a little different due to way the arms are used to figure four the opponent.
TrainBJJ - Eddie, quit disrespecting people to further your own cause...It doesnt work that way...Are you upset that they named it after him instead of you or that you spent more time and he gets the credit? Either way you are coming off as a catty bitch....
Whoaaaa dude. The guy just asked for some clips. You can at least wait until Eddie does something worthy of getting piled on, it shouldn't be too long now.
I knew the choke as the reverse head arm choke (we call the arm triangle the head arm choke). I think discovered others calling it the Brabo. Then I found others calling it the Darce. Whatever name it goes by it is a very effective submission. I know that Drysdale is very good at it and has some great setups. I believe he calls it the no-gi Brabo. I'm sure many have discovered this move previously but it now has become known as the Brabo and the Darce. I guess time will tell which name finally sticks. :)
Elvis
On the history of the choke (basically just reiterating what Gumby said): "The first name I heard this choke given was “the Shaolin”, after Vitor “Shaolin” Ribeiro’s success with it. (Vitor also has another “Shaolin choke” with the gi.) Otto Olsen credited it as such after using it in ADCC.
Later it came to share the name “brabo” with a lapel choke that is done from a similar position. I dug up a little history on this name. From an interview with Leo Vieira:
Q: In the current edition of Grappling, Jacare is in demonstrating the Brabo choke and he mentioned that you used the choke a lot.
A: Yes, I used it a lot, but I don’t know why they say I created it, as I always look to develop something and look at the white belts training and I saw a white belt use it something like that, and then I think ‘man, this can happen’ and then I worked on this position and everyone started to call it the Brabo choke; Kid Peligro put the name to it, he loves to put names for position (laughs).
Q: Does the name mean anything, Brabo?
A: It’s when something is aggressive and my old email used to be Leobrabo, then when I showed it to Kid, came up with the name Brabo and it kind of stuck.
I believe he’s talking about the lapel choke, but like I said, they’re similar in terms of position and ended up with the same name.
Most recently, it has taken on the name “the darce”, after Joe D’arce who was taught the move by “New Zealand” John Danaher (both are Renzo Gracie black belts). Joe visited Marc Laimon’s school and was catching guys with it, so Marc took it and taught it to guys like Jeff Glover and Bill “The Grill” Cooper.
At tournaments, Marc began yelling “D’arce him! D’arce him!” to coach his guys, and his competition quickly adopted the name too."
From Aesopian.com
I think I saw a video on Youtube on the "Marce" and it seemed to be the same choke, just done from guard.
mayhem miller was actually the guy to show the darce at cobra kai. he was training with joe d'arce in new york and was talking about this choke that he was doing. mayhem showed it to laimon and then it was called the darce cause there wasn't a name for it. It wasn't for a while till joe d'arce stopped by cobra kai
LOL, I just talked to Marc on the phone about this and he reiterated what Sim just said.
He also takes credit for naming the Peruvian Necktie (although he is quick to credit it to Tony Desouza)
"...as I always look to develop something and look at the white belts training and I saw a white belt use it something like that, and then I think ‘man, this can happen’ and then I worked on this position"
Hidden black belt nugget.
Also, I find it funny to get a move named after you by someone who has been saying your name wrong.
Must have been awkward for Joe finally to be like "BTW my name is actually Joe De Ar Cee."
I just got back from LI and trained at Joe's place Monday night. Very nice guy and his students were a good bunch of guys. I will be back the next time I go up and see the in-laws. He did not show the D'arce :(
Gumby -I would be curious to read if Eddie has a rebuttle to this. I often attempt his "old school" half gaurd sweep but there are a few guys at my school who hit the D'arce pretty well, so I don't even try it with them. Truth be told, I probably have a pretty marginal to horrible "old school" sweep anyway. But I'm curious to hear how Eddie (or anyone advanced in his system) deals with avoiding the D'arce while in half gaurd, double unders, and whip up.
For example, no less than the king of half guard, Gordo has declared the "Old School" sweep is all but dead now because of the Darce choke. (Because the setup for the old school leads one especially open to the Darce, which everyone is trying).
Great thread, with many great posts by some legends. TTT!