Frank Shamrock when he was MW champion would finish Leites and Patrick Cote. So that answers the 'who had a better MW championship run' question.
Fedor has never been heel hooked or submitted by Japanese journey men. So that answers the 'who is better p4p' question.
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Yeah, okay. Anderson is the flavor of the week, so let's forget the past...
Ummmm....No.
Two big threads on UG.
Who had better run - Frank or Anderson....The answer is Frank. He finished Tito Ortiz, Zinoviev, Kevin Jackson, etc... Anderson went the distance with Leites and couldn't finish Patrick Cote.
I love Anderson Silva, I really do. But I don't think he should go down in MMA history as better than Frank or Fedor.
Anderson has been beaten cleanly by journey men...
All of Anderson's losses were years ago so that automatically is thrown out of CURRENT P4P List. They aren't relevant, half of em were just bullshit losses and he's alot better now anyway.
FreightTrane - Anderson went the distance with Leites and couldn't finish Patrick Cote.
To be fair, Anderson/Cote only went about 11 minutes out of what would have been a 25 minute fight...you dont know that he wouldnt have finished him had Cote's knee not blown out on him.
His performances were boring vs these two, but it's not like he lost skill. He would murder either of these guys like he did vs Forest IMO. Besides it's not like either of the fights were close so that's also thrown out of the argument.
Voted down for being an unfunny retard.
Jons Forsberg - Anderson is 220lbs beating 185ers. Fedor is 230lbs beating HWs. Case closed.
Anderson is 220 when hes not training correct? Hes definitely a big 185er, but I think 205ers walk around about Fedor's size in 230-235?
Jons Forsberg - Anderson is 220lbs beating 185ers. Fedor is 230lbs beating HWs. Case closed.
Fedor fights at heavyweight because the competition is easier than at 205Fedor fears quicker opponents
Anderson went 8 rounds with his last two 185lb opponents and disposed of both his 205 opponents in about 4 minutes combined, with 4 total knockdowns in that time. It's stupid to make a black and white distinction between weight classes as though a heavier opponent is automatically a more dangerous or difficult one.
The last time Silva loss (not including the DQ to Okami) was to ryo chonan FIVE YEARS AGO.
Get over it. Oh and i hope you're not going to argue that chonan will beat anderson again in a rematch.
There are certainly some HWs I would pick Anderson over, for example Crocop, Kongo, Couture, Arlovski, Sylvia, and yes, maybe even Fedor. Stylistically he doesn't match up well with the HW big wrestler types, although KOs of Cain or Carwin are certainly not out of the question.
I really can't believe allot of you have been fans from the beginning. There was a long stretch when Frank looked unbeatable in his weight. People were calling for Rickson for real in those days.
He was arguably the best P4P in those days. No way you can call his career overrated. It's like saying Jim Brown's career was overrated because he didn't compete against today's athletes.
"The reason is HW is harder"
The fact that he's only twice fought above 185, after starting his career at 165, may have a little something to do with it.
"Heck even the one 185er that Fedor beat is better than most 185ers that Anderson defended his belt against in the UFC."
Maybe that's why Fedor had to grab the ropes to save himself.
Snarl Snatch - You could argue that Frank was the P4P GOAT, because he was so much better than the competition he faced AT THE TIME. But thinking he then would beat Anderson now is completely fucking ridiculous, the MMA game has changed SO FUCKING MUCH it isn't even funny. The techniques utilized are on a different level.
Yes MMA has changed completely. Back then an over sized monster with wrestling background could just come in UFC inexperienced and dominate with just laying on the opponent and using no skill and win the undisputed HW title. Totally different today!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT!!!!!
JiuJitsuLifeMH - Fedor fights at heavyweight because the competition is easier than at 205Fedor fears quicker opponents
LOL. If it really were true that "the competition is easier than at 205" - then all that those "quicker opponents" would have to do in order to prove it, and dominate the "easier" competition at HW, should be to simply skip the whole weight-cut the day before, and actually naturally fight as HW's (as they already do come fight-time at 205 anyway).
So then - why don't they?
Why instead do they actually choose to go through the whole grueling ordeal of cutting weight and voluntarily take on that otherwise unnecessary physical strain?
Because they feel that cutting weight gives them the best chance to dominate - by allowing them to face smaller and absolutely weaker opponents instead. That's the bottom line. They cut weight purely to gain a competitive advantage - which is ultimately the ONLY reason why anyone ever chooses to go through the rigors of cutting weight.
They do it because they feel they need to. And because they feel the competition is absolutely weaker and ultimately easier at the lower weight - not harder.
So it's actually the 205-ers who are avoiding the HW division - not the other way around. In fact, the HW division is still always open to them whenever they feel up to it.
Except it's the 205-ers who continually decline this open invitation to step up to the HW division, and actually take on the bigger (both literally and figuratively) challenges there - to prove themselves at that highest level - even though they already fight in-shape as HW's at 205 anyway.
Instead, they choose to keep cutting weight in order to compete smaller - and keep getting to take on opponents they feel better able to dominate.
Jons Forsberg - Anderson is 220lbs beating 185ers. Fedor is 230lbs beating HWs. Case closed.
This really is the bottom line when it comes to comparing two similarly-sized fighters in a mythical "P4P" scenario (which is intended to hypothetically compensate for real-life weight differences). Because then "P4P" in that case wouldn't even need to be so mythically equalizing, after all - since they are already, in reality, equal enough in size anyway.
And the defining reality is that so far, one fighter with his 230 lbs. has dominated at HW - and the other with his 220 lbs. has dominated at two weight classes below.
So one fighter has clearly accomplished more on an absolute level than the other has. And if they are also both around the same size as each other anyway - then by definition, who has also accomplished more "P4P" at the same time?
Jons Forsberg - The reason is HW is harder. Heck even the one 185er that Fedor beat is better than most 185ers that Anderson defended his belt against in the UFC.
Exactly. Even Lindland would be one of the 5 absolute best opponents Anderson has ever faced. And yet for Fedor, he was roundly ridiculed as an unworthy opponent and generally dismissed as being competition that was beneath Fedor.
So this is case-in-point of how one guy, while not being much bigger than the other, has actually dominated much better absolute competition throughout his career than the other guy has at two weight classes below.
Because, by stark contrast, even one of Fedor's less formidable opponents would have actually been considered one of Anderson's most formidable ones.
And it's entirely possible Fedor would have more trouble with Marquardt or Henderson than he did with many if not most of his HW opponents. Just as Arona did better against him than any other opponent he's ever had despite being one of the smallest.
to be a dick, frank was getting his ass kicked by Horn who at the time was a small show nobody. The fight was put together to help sell a ppv by highlighting Franks skills.
Anderson has won all his fights with little or no real danger, minus being mounted for a few seconds