Frankie is a grappler than Ortega

jgiveshead -
Siciliano di Brooklyn -
jgiveshead - 

I'm not sure I'd use the word 'better', there's lots of dimensions to it.  I think it'll be competitive, I'm hoping to see some great scrambles.

No matter how this match turns out, I'd like to see Frankie and Khabib have a go at it.  While Frankie's obviously a bit smaller, I think his grappling is competitive with Khabib's, with Frankie's hands being the difference on the feet.  I think he could be Khabib's kryptonite.

I used to despise Frankie for those wins over BJ, but I've become a big fan over the years.  It's hard not to appreciate how he buzzsawed through Yair.

He didn’t use the word “better,” that’s the point.

quoting the OP: "TLDR - Frankie’s better, he wins"

I see what you're talking about, the title... I guess I'm just so accustomed to shit grammar and non-editing on the internet (me being the worst offender), I just read what I think the other person is trying to say as if it were actually there. 

Ya title should read ‘Frankie is a better grappler than ortega’ . Typo. Can’t edit the title off my phone

GladiatorGannon - Sometimes a guard doesn't have to be fancy or inverted to be dangerous.

No doubt. Point me to a fight of his where he had guys in trouble with his guard? I haven’t seen one 

Randy Watson -

Lets settle down and take an objective look.... OP then proceeds to give opinion on what OP has seen or not seen..

Tell me where, exactly, I’m wrong

ranier wolfcastle -

i expect frani to dance around the outside for 3 rounds, landing just enough to win a decision

Its called an ass beating, nice try though.

Snap down city.  Frankie taps tonight 

Ragingshaneistheanswer -
ranier wolfcastle -

i expect frani to dance around the outside for 3 rounds, landing just enough to win a decision

Its called an ass beating, nice try though.

Whatever. Like that ass whipping he gave Faber? 

He will run like when he was gifted the first BJ fight. If he stands and fights with Ortega, I’ll be impressed. 

burner22 -

Let’s just settle down on the hype and have an objective look at their grappling skills shall we.

stand up grappling- don’t think I’ve seen Ortega hit a takedown in the ufc, while we all know how good Frankie’s wrestling is. So no contest- Frankie’s better here.

Top position- hardly seen Ortega work from top, Frankie is a nightmare on top, as cub Swanson can tell you. Frankie is the clear winner here.

Guard/ bottom position- Ortega gets the nod here. However, for as much as rogan jerks off about Ortega’s guard, it’s not actually that dangerous. It’s the classic Gracie guard, which is actually designed as a defensive tool. No leglocks, no fancy inverted stuff, just basic overhooks and head control.

the front headlock is where Ortega is very very good, but Frankie’s bjj coach is Ricardo almeida- who has a tremendous guillotine, and he trains at Renzos regularly, where plenty guys have great attacks from there, so he should be fine.

TLDR - Frankie’s better, he wins

most jiu jitsu guys dont use wrestling takedowns. When Hettes fought Bermudez they were #1 & #2 all time takedowns in UFC featherweight history with 23 & 22 TD. Hettes never hada single or double they were all judo trips and throws. 

Pura Vida -
Mike OxBIG - 

Benson Henderson is near the bottom of the list when it comes to most dominant champions of all time lol...

I think he tied the record for defenses at LW?

That might be true but when he was champ he squeaked out decisions so I wouldn’t really call that one of the most dominant champions. 

MMA MELEE -
burner22 -

Let’s just settle down on the hype and have an objective look at their grappling skills shall we.

stand up grappling- don’t think I’ve seen Ortega hit a takedown in the ufc, while we all know how good Frankie’s wrestling is. So no contest- Frankie’s better here.

Top position- hardly seen Ortega work from top, Frankie is a nightmare on top, as cub Swanson can tell you. Frankie is the clear winner here.

Guard/ bottom position- Ortega gets the nod here. However, for as much as rogan jerks off about Ortega’s guard, it’s not actually that dangerous. It’s the classic Gracie guard, which is actually designed as a defensive tool. No leglocks, no fancy inverted stuff, just basic overhooks and head control.

the front headlock is where Ortega is very very good, but Frankie’s bjj coach is Ricardo almeida- who has a tremendous guillotine, and he trains at Renzos regularly, where plenty guys have great attacks from there, so he should be fine.

TLDR - Frankie’s better, he wins

most jiu jitsu guys dont use wrestling takedowns. When Hettes fought Bermudez they were #1 & #2 all time takedowns in UFC featherweight history with 23 & 22 TD. Hettes never hada single or double they were all judo trips and throws. 

Yeah hettes has a judo background. Ortega doesn’t, as far as I know. And when has he hit trips or throws on anyone?

burner22 -
MMA MELEE -
burner22 -

Let’s just settle down on the hype and have an objective look at their grappling skills shall we.

stand up grappling- don’t think I’ve seen Ortega hit a takedown in the ufc, while we all know how good Frankie’s wrestling is. So no contest- Frankie’s better here.

Top position- hardly seen Ortega work from top, Frankie is a nightmare on top, as cub Swanson can tell you. Frankie is the clear winner here.

Guard/ bottom position- Ortega gets the nod here. However, for as much as rogan jerks off about Ortega’s guard, it’s not actually that dangerous. It’s the classic Gracie guard, which is actually designed as a defensive tool. No leglocks, no fancy inverted stuff, just basic overhooks and head control.

the front headlock is where Ortega is very very good, but Frankie’s bjj coach is Ricardo almeida- who has a tremendous guillotine, and he trains at Renzos regularly, where plenty guys have great attacks from there, so he should be fine.

TLDR - Frankie’s better, he wins

most jiu jitsu guys dont use wrestling takedowns. When Hettes fought Bermudez they were #1 & #2 all time takedowns in UFC featherweight history with 23 & 22 TD. Hettes never hada single or double they were all judo trips and throws. 

Yeah hettes has a judo background. Ortega doesn’t, as far as I know. And when has he hit trips or throws on anyone?

id love to see all his UFC takedown highlights put together. Def probably the most judo use in the octagon

burner22 -
MMA MELEE -
burner22 -

Let’s just settle down on the hype and have an objective look at their grappling skills shall we.

stand up grappling- don’t think I’ve seen Ortega hit a takedown in the ufc, while we all know how good Frankie’s wrestling is. So no contest- Frankie’s better here.

Top position- hardly seen Ortega work from top, Frankie is a nightmare on top, as cub Swanson can tell you. Frankie is the clear winner here.

Guard/ bottom position- Ortega gets the nod here. However, for as much as rogan jerks off about Ortega’s guard, it’s not actually that dangerous. It’s the classic Gracie guard, which is actually designed as a defensive tool. No leglocks, no fancy inverted stuff, just basic overhooks and head control.

the front headlock is where Ortega is very very good, but Frankie’s bjj coach is Ricardo almeida- who has a tremendous guillotine, and he trains at Renzos regularly, where plenty guys have great attacks from there, so he should be fine.

TLDR - Frankie’s better, he wins

most jiu jitsu guys dont use wrestling takedowns. When Hettes fought Bermudez they were #1 & #2 all time takedowns in UFC featherweight history with 23 & 22 TD. Hettes never hada single or double they were all judo trips and throws. 

Yeah hettes has a judo background. Ortega doesn’t, as far as I know. And when has he hit trips or throws on anyone?

yeah i just looked ortega landed 0 on 7 attempts

Frankie will light ortega up and take a UD because Ortega has a granite chin right meow. 

NBKfanforlife -
Ragingshaneistheanswer -
ranier wolfcastle -

i expect frani to dance around the outside for 3 rounds, landing just enough to win a decision

Its called an ass beating, nice try though.

Whatever. Like that ass whipping he gave Faber? 

He will run like when he was gifted the first BJ fight. If he stands and fights with Ortega, I’ll be impressed. 

Hahah this idiot. Are you ever right?