Train for a week and teach BJJ wearing a dark navy blue belt with a red bar:
Woops! I retract my earlier statement.
And the sad thing is that you can hardly make a valid point against. Money talks.
:(
Tomas
It was bound to happen.
Doesn't well respected BJJ instructor John Will offer this same type of program (Masterclass Grappling BJJ Curriculum)?
Why is it ok for John Will to do this but whenever someone else does this it is "fraud"? Just curious.
Does John Will give you a dark navy blue belt with a red bar--easily mistaken for a black belt with a red bar--and have you teaching after one week of training?
Hmmm, I hadn't noticed the mention of wearing the dark navy blue belt until you posted it. That is a bit odd! Suppose I should have read the whole thread before commenting :(
After just reading through the entire thread on Bullshido I realize John Will's program is much different, he at least tests you in person and has time requirements. :)
Many high ranking and well respected Jiu Jitsu instructors have similar programs.
http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/supplies.shtml#school
http://www.jenbjj.com/otherpages/LDTP.html
I think it's great these instructors are offering up their teaching to people who would perhaps otherwise not have access to grappling instruction.
They have programs where you wear a dark navy blue belt with a red bar--easily mistaken for a black belt with a red bar--and teach after one week's training?
DuckofDeath,
Respectfully, I think you are splitting hairs.
I think of it like this - there are plenty of guys who's only technical training in Jiu Jitsu comes from this BJJ Q&A.
At least if they affilitate and are ranked under a certified black belt like Gene "Aranha" Simco for example, then they can trace their lineage almost directly to a brazilian born bjj black belt.
That "paper trail" is the one and only true test of a Jiu Jitsu person's legitimacy (imho). All other grading criteria is too subjective, and outside Brazil, ego driven.
luke is correct -
I personally spoke to dave myers, john wills partner in the video -
they sell a "instructors" course that is video only - it is meant for those MA instructors in far away places with no access to any real bjj, so they can offer grappling to their students - it is not only a video on tech's, but also on how to teach -
IIRC - the gracie TA's/instructor program also allow white belts in other lands (like the PI) to teach as white belts after "x" amount of training - i think 2 weeks a year, or something like that -
jerry's course does not make black belts outta video learning guys - it gives you a way to teach your students - HE must give out rank, not the guys in the program -
I think it's no different then guys who learn on their own, through video, then go to a seminar and get promoted, or even the early days of of TA's - you train for a week w/BB, go home, practise on your own, get tested a years later - ect.
Lets not forget, the gracie's learnt pretty much on their own, and if you believe the story, helio became a BB just by watching his brother teach
Relevant quotes for the comprehension impaired:
"Our program is so easy, you can start teaching it within 1 week. Now I am not saying you will be awesome at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu within 1 week, but you will be able to teach your first class with confidence."
and
"FAQ Do I wear a Black Belt when I teach?"
"No, not until you earn a Black Belt in BJJ. You will wear a dark navy blue belt with a red bar which signifies you are the instructor."
"At least if they affiliate and are ranked under a certified black belt like Gene "Aranha" Simco for example, then they can trace their lineage almost directly to a brazilian born bjj black belt."
What do you mean "almost directly"?
"helio became a BB just by watching his brother teach"
Bullshit. His brother didn't show up to teach a student one time, so young Helio--who had spent a lot of time watching his brother teach--took it upon himself to give the student the lesson.
Don't miss the dission at JJGear:
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.0">http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.0">http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.0
And Laurita's reply:
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.msg726053#msg726053
Let's try that again.
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.0
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.msg726053#msg726053
"What do you mean "almost directly"?"
I mean that those who affiliate under Prof. Simco's program will, via Prof. Simco be able to trace their lineage to a Brazilian born blackbelt. That's as real as it gets from my point of view and still the true litmus test of legitimacy.
The lineage through Prof. Simco to a Brazilian born black belt is not "almost direct," it is direct, albeit very tenuous. And I shudder to think of what unwholesome activities may have been involved in inducing Prof. Nigue to award Prof. Simco his black belt.
DuckOfDeath,
Again, respectfully, I believe you are splitting hairs. An affiliate of Prof. Simco is not directly under a Brasilian born instructor (not that there's anything wrong with that!) - they are under an European-American master who is under a Brasilan born master.
I get the feeling I'm being trolled here - if I've turned a joke thread serious my apologies & carry on.
"An affiliate of Prof. Simco is not directly under a Brasilian born instructor..."
Who the hell said he was? He is, however, in the lineage of a Brazilian born instructor:
Simco Dupe < Simco < Nigue