But Aurelio's style should not have been a problem for Gomi's, since Gomi has great takedown defense, better wrestling, and I think a reach advantage.
Gomi was dominated on the ground in this one. Gomi did'nt look good at all. Perhaps he was "under the weather" before this fight.
I agree with Orcus. I dont think it was so much the styles as Aurelio simply executed perfectly and just did what he did.
Its not like Gomi hasnt fought BJJ guys or whatever before. And he's fought a lot over the past few years aswell. He had to lose sometime.
I think the more relevant saying is that anything can still happen in MMA.
The one thing that sticks our for me however and which may distinguish Liddel from Gomi is that Gomi has more forward approaching striking game while Liddel counters more, side to side, back and away.
Its much harder to get taken down when you dont go forward as much imo. But, shit happens, Liddel just beat by Rampage, Couture, etc. Gomi got beat by Penn then went on one of the biggest tears in the sport....
W O W !!!!!
That was amazing guys!! Probably the best night ever!! When we got in Japan, of course everybody was taking Aurelio as "one more..." on Gomi's way, an easy fight. At the press conference they told us that the winner of Azeredo/Hansen would chalenge Gomi on next Bushido, meaning that he had already won tonights fight. At the show, they did a presentation showing EVERY FIGHTER but Aurelio. When we walked down the stairs, we could see on everybody's face that they were there for Gomi. But they couldnt count on ATT' hard working "paraiba" (brazilian Redneck) who was fighting his most important challenge of his life. We proved that hard work, good coaches, an entire team working as a family, could pull that off.
Sorry, but I have to say, 99% of you guys didnt belive on him, and I dont blame you. But we did it, HE DID!!! I got to sleep now!!!!! ATT, ATT, ATT!!!!
"Well, he needs to figure out the BJJ riddle, and stop coasting on flash KO's, and fighters trying to prove that they are Pro Boxers.
It seems that if you put the pressure on Gomi, and take top control, his ground deficiencies become apparent. If you hang back in guard, and wait for God to intervene, then more often than not, he'll fuck you up."
Really. Only the biggest jap/non-bjj hater would ever accuse one of the busiest and fighters on one of the biggest tears of "coasting."
And if he was "coasting on flash KOs," Aurelio shouldnt really pat himself on the back on a flash choke either now, should he? So guess we really cant determine much from this.
And I also like how when its a jap/non-bjj guy on the bottom, only then is he "hanging back in guard..." I assume you're talking about Azredo on top of Gomi where NEITHER fighter was doing anything on the ground. That is normally where you'd cry rivers about LNPing.
And while we're talking about "more often than not" and fucking someone up, that is exactly what Gomi has done. One fight doesnt change what happened in the last 10.
You know, you're blind hatred for japanese and non-bjj fighters lead you to make some really inconsistent and illogical statements. When are you gonna stop embarassing yourself like that?
Why in the hell was it a non title fight? This shit really pisses me off. its shit like that that makes me hate Pride.
"Why in the hell was it a non title fight? This shit really pisses me off. its shit like that that makes me hate Pride."
Because Aurelio had not beaten any of the top dogs in Pride yet? He got a non title shot just like Royce is getting a non title shot at Hughes.
Justice, I agree. I was just saying that Gomi's style, though he is a good wrestler himself, has him going forward more than Liddel's so which makes him a bit easier to take down than Liddel imo.
Still, i think we all look into results too much a lot of the time. Aurelio just flat out beat Gomi. I think thats all there really is to say.
And Brigham, this isnt the first time there has been a non-title fight for a champ in Pride. Go on and hate it but Fedor and Nog have also had their share of non-title fights too.
Its not like Aurelio had secured himself as the #1 contender anyhow so if they only had title fights for their champs, you could say that Aurelio wouldnt have even been fighting Gomi in the first place.
"It seems that if you put the pressure on Gomi, and take top control, his ground deficiencies become apparent."
Yeah, Azeredo, Kawajiri, Sakurai, etc didn't put any pressure on Gomi.
I know this is not the first time but my beef with it is, if you are champion, barring a last minute opponent change, every fight should be for the title. If you have the title, and lose like Gomi did, tell me why he should have it? It was an upset, ya but there is absoluetly no reason Aurelio shouldn't have the title. He beat the champ. Plain and simple. He should no be crowned the new champion.
"Because Aurelio had not beaten any of the top dogs in Pride yet? He got a non title shot just like Royce is getting a non title shot at Hughes. "
Hughes isn't getting a title shot because he has a one fight deal. Its not even at 170, its at 175. Its also more of an exhibition match, Old vs. New sort of thing.
Come on dude. Royce is fighting Hughes with no title shot. Calling it an exhibition just shows you have an agenda bashing Pride and praising UFC. Marcus had not beaten any of the name fighters at 160. If we are talking deserving then Hansen deserved the title shot before Marcus. He beat Gomi before and beat Yves
I happen to like Pride more than I like UFC actually. I never EVER bash Pride. But this I just don't agree with. And it is an exhibition hense it not being at 170.
Don't call it a fluke.
He got taken down, dominated, and choked out like clockwork. And it's happened before with a guy with a similiar style. The only thing he actually pulled off in that entire fight was a few attempts to replace guard.
Gomi is still probably one of the best fighters of all-time and still probably king of the LW's, but let us say now that he's not of the same caliber of champion as Fedor and end this P4P debate.
Hughes can't be a title fight because there is no 175 lb division or belt. They've essentiallty created the 160 lb division so Gomi can make weight and he got dominated. He's not the champ, imo.
Same thing happens in a rematch. This fight made me very happy.
made me happy also. It will put to rest the whole "Gomi is P4P better than Fedor!" That was just an assinine comment from the start.
This fight reminded me a lot of Penn VS Hughes.
Gomi has always had a bad MMA bottom game. His top game is very good in MMA when it comes to subs, look at the way he worked over BJJ black belt Jean Silva and almost caught him in an arm triangle and an armbar. His bottom game is definitely his weakpoint. Hansen, Penn and now Aurelio all beat Gomi by controlling him on the ground.
If you try to prove you are a warrior by standing up with Gomi, you will most likely lose. If you have great takedowns and a great submission game from the top you have a chance at winning.
Hopefully Gomi will learn from this... can't wait for the rematch.
Jockstrap, funny, yeah, because after Gomi's tear year last year, people were talking about Gomi being weak on his back but to be fair about him being taken down and "holding on for dear life" against Azeredo, Azeredo was basically fresh coming in against Gomi while Gomi had to fight the #2 LW in the first round.
Also Azeredo also basically did nothing once he took Gomi down the couple times, he also looked like he was waiting for the standup too.
I think with Aurelio, he simply executed a perfectly timed takedown off Gomi's first attack. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Gomi stuffed a few of Aurelio's shoots imo.
This is where Liddel might be a bit better than Gomi in his striking style which leads him less vulnerable to the shoot beause he doesnt come in forward as much and he's also better at standing back up if taken down (though he does it with the fence normally).
"Hansen, Penn and now Aurelio all beat Gomi by controlling him on the ground."
The one thing about Hansen though, not to take anything away from Hansen either but he took Gomi's back off a scramble. Both Aurelio and Penn took him down and ultimately submitted him. Same thing but different sorta...though Hansen couldnt submit him.
But funny, Aurelio subbed him much quicker than BJ though BJ did dominate aswell.
Rematch!
Hansen also didn't do enough to take the belt away from Gomi, since at the time Gomi was the shooto 155 lb champ. I thought it was a draw personally.
Also remember Aurelio doesn't have great standup, he had to take Gomi down quickly and submit him while BJ had the option of standing up and trading.
Hansen's fight was insane. I'm pretty sure that guy could get hit in the face with a sledgehammer and not flinch.