GSP is still the Shoot Box King

Nebuchadnezzar - wiggum:

you mentioned that "It's a HUGE advantage to have your best wrestling stance be the opposite of your best boxing stance."

just curious...why do you think that is?

It means the same foot is forward, so you skip the step of having to switch stances/you don't have to shoot with your weaker side.

Let's say I'm a southpaw boxer and righty wrestler. That means my right leg is forward in both boxing and wrestling. I punch, lower my level, and shoot. That's one step less than punch, switch stances (usually by lunging forward with a punch and stepping), lower level and shoot.

ahhh -- i actually thought you were saying the opposite, i.e. - lead leg keeps switching.

i've been thai boxing for years as a righty (left leg lead) and now starting to wrestle for the first time. i'm having an incredibly tough time adjusting to keeping my right leg lead for wrestling... seems very unnatural for me, but thought i should just suck it up and adjust!

Nebuchadnezzar - ahhh -- i actually thought you were saying the opposite, i.e. - lead leg keeps switching.

i've been thai boxing for years as a righty (left leg lead) and now starting to wrestle for the first time. i'm having an incredibly tough time adjusting to keeping my right leg lead for wrestling... seems very unnatural for me, but thought i should just suck it up and adjust!

NO! If you are comfortable wrestling with your left leg leading, just keep it that way and learn that way. Hugely advantageous.

Anyways, if you're ambidextrous in wrestling you have 2X the amount of moves and attacks.

BirdWatcher - Still so impressive seeing how GSP dictates where the majority of his fights go, standing or ground he had an answer.



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last gif doesn't even look real

wiggum - I just rewatched Cain v. Brock. Cain really uses his boxing nicely to setup a head outside single.

I'm not sure if any fight ever exemplified how the threat of wrestling can improve your striking more than Cain v. JDS. Absolutely lit him up because the thread of wrestling. (Actually, Randleman v. CroCop probably the best example)

Recently although Aldo won Mendes scored some big uppercuts when he faked shots by level changing and then upper cutting. Same w Werdum against Hunt: fake shot to knee.

Wasa-B - 
wiggum - I just rewatched Cain v. Brock. Cain really uses his boxing nicely to setup a head outside single.

I'm not sure if any fight ever exemplified how the threat of wrestling can improve your striking more than Cain v. JDS. Absolutely lit him up because the thread of wrestling. (Actually, Randleman v. CroCop probably the best example)

Recently although Aldo won Mendes scored some big uppercuts when he faked shots by level changing and then upper cutting. Same w Werdum against Hunt: fake shot to knee.

Both great examples.

During Cain-JDS III, Goldberg asked aloud why, if Cain was having such success with his strikes, he kept wrestling JDS against the cage. The answer was simple: he had such success with his strikes because he was wrestling with JDS.

Mendes reversed the script on Aldo. Aldo's main takedown defense is often that rear uppercut. It makes guys scared to shoot. Mendes faked the takedown and threw the uppercut when Aldo lowered his level.

GSP is the most well rounded gifted talented and skilled MMA fighter of all time. Phone Post 3.0

any other box/throw/trip fighters like Fedor and Machida?does Ronda count?I remember this judoka that Condit fought in WEC that was tripping him all fight long.

GSP takedown highlight video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cgrWPXLeOc

WAY more singles - especially head outside singles - than I expected.

GSP works where Johnny rests. And he gets the TDs because of that.

He was a shoot, box, hero (had stars in his eyes)

wiggum - GSP takedown highlight video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cgrWPXLeOc

WAY more singles - especially head outside singles - than I expected.

GSP works where Johnny rests. And he gets the TDs because of that.

Can a blue post this please? Thanks.

KingOfFighters - 
JediJitsu - Awesome thread, and one in which true fans can appreciate what it really means to be the best in the world.

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Best in the world at avoiding Anderson Silva for half of his career lmfao Phone Post 3.0

Anderson Silva? The guy who was finished in his last 2 fights and is scheduled to fight an unranked welterweight who is also coming off 2 straight loses?

That Anderson Silva?

What struck me from that highlight, was just how long GSP's arms are. He is listed at a 76 inch reach and the closest I could find from welterweight fighters there contemporaries were Jon Fitch and Robbie Lawler at 74 inches. Admitedly, I didn't check them all and it was just guys I could think of quickly of the top of my head, but most were had a 3 inch or more deficit.

Where I'm going with this was just how effortlessly GSP was at catching kicks and barely having to bend over to pick the ankle in various takedowns. It seems to not only give him an advantage in the stand up for controlling distance, but helped massively in initiating the clinch/takedown and finishing them.

you would think a martial art like San Shou/Sanda would be more famous

LOL@GSP being the shootbox king. You doesn't learn your history. I never aint seen nothing about no GSP in shootbox you stupad


First of all, GSP fights out of Tristar gym. He aint never fought
with shootbox. The bets shootbox fighters are Vanderlay silva and maybe if you want to include shogun then shogun first or second it depends who fought harder. I give it. To shogun becuase he won the grand pree but both are great experiences.

I can't decide either one is good but dont say gsp come on that is ridiculous. He doesnt spar like shootbox does.

The fight camp is important.

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Zeph - What struck me from that highlight, was just how long GSP's arms are. He is listed at a 76 inch reach and the closest I could find from welterweight fighters there contemporaries were Jon Fitch and Robbie Lawler at 74 inches. Admitedly, I didn't check them all and it was just guys I could think of quickly of the top of my head, but most were had a 3 inch or more deficit.

Where I'm going with this was just how effortlessly GSP was at catching kicks and barely having to bend over to pick the ankle in various takedowns. It seems to not only give him an advantage in the stand up for controlling distance, but helped massively in initiating the clinch/takedown and finishing them.

Ive actually been checking reach lately....specifically, Weidman and Conor's are super long for their divisions but still not being overly tall and lanky imo.

GSP people forget, was not a short stubby powerhouse like Hughes or Alves but pretty lean and he seems to have good reach but...he also used it well with his jabbing, footwork, timing.

Weidman has longer reach barely than Anderson but knows how to use it. Same with taking away Machida's space/range he normally controls.

EKPOGI - you would think a martial art like San Shou/Sanda would be more famous

SCup too. You would think though by the love of banging and hitting on the UG, K1 wouldnt be bigger like we always say, really...;)

Mik Greg Gote - LOL@GSP being the shootbox king. You doesn't learn your history. I never aint seen nothing about no GSP in shootbox you stupad


First of all, GSP fights out of Tristar gym. He aint never fought
with shootbox. The bets shootbox fighters are Vanderlay silva and maybe if you want to include shogun then shogun first or second it depends who fought harder. I give it. To shogun becuase he won the grand pree but both are great experiences.

I can't decide either one is good but dont say gsp come on that is ridiculous. He doesnt spar like shootbox does.

The fight camp is important.

This is legit funny.

Wasa-B - 
Zeph - What struck me from that highlight, was just how long GSP's arms are. He is listed at a 76 inch reach and the closest I could find from welterweight fighters there contemporaries were Jon Fitch and Robbie Lawler at 74 inches. Admitedly, I didn't check them all and it was just guys I could think of quickly of the top of my head, but most were had a 3 inch or more deficit.

Where I'm going with this was just how effortlessly GSP was at catching kicks and barely having to bend over to pick the ankle in various takedowns. It seems to not only give him an advantage in the stand up for controlling distance, but helped massively in initiating the clinch/takedown and finishing them.

Ive actually been checking reach lately....specifically, Weidman and Conor's are super long for their divisions but still not being overly tall and lanky imo.

GSP people forget, was not a short stubby powerhouse like Hughes or Alves but pretty lean and he seems to have good reach but...he also used it well with his jabbing, footwork, timing.

Weidman has longer reach barely than Anderson but knows how to use it. Same with taking away Machida's space/range he normally controls.

When I was in college, I made the observation that the truism that there is no ideal body type for wrestling - short and stocky has as many advantages as long and lanky - needed revision.

Long limbs minus lankyness is clearly ideal. We have a multiple time All American who fit this bill and it made up for a lack of other gifts.