How do fighters gain mass without steroids?

Most people grossly underestimate the value of diet and overestimate the calories they take in. I gained 24 lbs of mass in a year eating around 4500 calories a day.

I don't think OP will do what OP needs to do so this thread will be pointless.

jasperb -

Most people grossly underestimate the value of diet and overestimate the calories they take in. I gained 24 lbs of mass in a year eating around 4500 calories a day.

"Mass" = 23lbs of fat, 1lb of muscle 

jasperb -

Most people grossly underestimate the value of diet and overestimate the calories they take in. I gained 24 lbs of mass in a year eating around 4500 calories a day.

So you got fat , got it 

Neil McCauley - I have put on roughly 30 pounds of muscle in the past 5 years. thats 6 pounds a year or 0.5 pounds a month. I am natty. I attribute it to diet and consistency.

Go to the store and look at hamburger and find a pack that weighs six pounds or two that weigh 3 pounds. 

Now, imagine that added to your arms and half to your quads. You'd look freaky. That is a LOT of beef/meat.

It is only normal to put on about 4 pounds of lean mass if you are genetically gifted and you're in your 20s.

It's also reasonable if you have not regulary lifted, IOW, a newbie.

It is very unusual to put on 30 pounds of MUSCLE, lean muscle in five years unless you are doing PEDs, and are genetically gifted to a near freaky level.

I'm not saying it's impossible but unless someone had certified weighings in by a clinician in a displacement tank I would take it with a grain of salt. 

Uhtred Ragnarson -
Hurtsogood -

If you're seriously dedicated to putting on size, track your calories for a week to get your average daily intake.  Then, keep adding calories to that total until you start putting on weight.

The best phrase Ive heard regarding people who claim they can't gain weight is that they are bad at math. Just keep steadily adding caloires until you start to gain weight.  Then keep that amount steady until you stop gaining weight.  Then up the calories again.  This is one of the more effective ways to do it, without having the fat gain far outpace the muscle gain.  You will gain both, but be smart about it and you'll not blow up. 

Yeah dude I don't want stretch marks, I just want to be lean like Wonderboy. 

Im pretty much built exactly like him height size, around high 170s, what should my caloric surplus be limited to if I didn't want to get fat or fuck up my skin?

I’m a little bigger then you as I’m 185 and 6 foot, 9% body fat right now. It’s super hard for me to keep weight on so i have to eat a lot. One thing i noticed is i didnt always eat right when i woke up, sometimes I’d wait a few hours. Now, i wake up and make a protein shake with berries, yogurt, banana, kale, seeds, protein and a lot of peanut butter. It’s 1000 calories to start your day.

Horse meat.

In for Dern diet advice 

If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - 
Uhtred Ragnarson -
Hurtsogood -

If you're seriously dedicated to putting on size, track your calories for a week to get your average daily intake.  Then, keep adding calories to that total until you start putting on weight.

The best phrase Ive heard regarding people who claim they can't gain weight is that they are bad at math. Just keep steadily adding caloires until you start to gain weight.  Then keep that amount steady until you stop gaining weight.  Then up the calories again.  This is one of the more effective ways to do it, without having the fat gain far outpace the muscle gain.  You will gain both, but be smart about it and you'll not blow up. 

Yeah dude I don't want stretch marks, I just want to be lean like Wonderboy. 

Im pretty much built exactly like him height size, around high 170s, what should my caloric surplus be limited to if I didn't want to get fat or fuck up my skin?

I’m a little bigger then you as I’m 185 and 6 foot, 9% body fat right now. It’s super hard for me to keep weight on so i have to eat a lot. One thing i noticed is i didnt always eat right when i woke up, sometimes I’d wait a few hours. Now, i wake up and make a protein shake with berries, yogurt, banana, kale, seeds, protein and a lot of peanut butter. It’s 1000 calories to start your day.

I highly doubt you are anywhere close to a true 9% body fat regardless of what any fat caliper, DEXA scan and etc says.

At 6" 185 lbs and 9% body fat, you would be bigger than many professional bodybuilders.

WidespreadPanic -
Neil McCauley - I have put on roughly 30 pounds of muscle in the past 5 years. thats 6 pounds a year or 0.5 pounds a month. I am natty. I attribute it to diet and consistency.

Go to the store and look at hamburger and find a pack that weighs six pounds or two that weigh 3 pounds. 

Now, imagine that added to your arms and half to your quads. You'd look freaky. That is a LOT of beef/meat.

It is only normal to put on about 4 pounds of lean mass if you are genetically gifted and you're in your 20s.

It's also reasonable if you have not regulary lifted, IOW, a newbie.

It is very unusual to put on 30 pounds of MUSCLE, lean muscle in five years unless you are doing PEDs, and are genetically gifted to a near freaky level.

I'm not saying it's impossible but unless someone had certified weighings in by a clinician in a displacement tank I would take it with a grain of salt. 

Neil has posted about this stuff on the og, ALOT, over the years. he lives the life. diet, sleep exercise, etc. He is basically our resident Patrick Bateman. take everything on the internet with a grain of salt, but he comes off very believable, imo. 

Hot dogs and Beer

ufc98newb -
WidespreadPanic -
Neil McCauley - I have put on roughly 30 pounds of muscle in the past 5 years. thats 6 pounds a year or 0.5 pounds a month. I am natty. I attribute it to diet and consistency.

Go to the store and look at hamburger and find a pack that weighs six pounds or two that weigh 3 pounds. 

Now, imagine that added to your arms and half to your quads. You'd look freaky. That is a LOT of beef/meat.

It is only normal to put on about 4 pounds of lean mass if you are genetically gifted and you're in your 20s.

It's also reasonable if you have not regulary lifted, IOW, a newbie.

It is very unusual to put on 30 pounds of MUSCLE, lean muscle in five years unless you are doing PEDs, and are genetically gifted to a near freaky level.

I'm not saying it's impossible but unless someone had certified weighings in by a clinician in a displacement tank I would take it with a grain of salt. 

Neil has posted about this stuff on the og, ALOT, over the years. he lives the life. diet, sleep exercise, etc. He is basically our resident Patrick Bateman. take everything on the internet with a grain of salt, but he comes off very believable, imo. 

Neil has a little dick

Uhtred Ragnarson -
wiggum - Eating.

Dude I eat a fuck load and while I look good, I'm certainly not looking as massive as Darren Till for example.

What are your tips on taking in more calories? Fwiw, I train anywhere from 2-3 hours on a given day around 4-5x a week.

Stop whining. The muscle God's can hear you.

Whore Smeet

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WidespreadPanic - 
Neil McCauley - I have put on roughly 30 pounds of muscle in the past 5 years. thats 6 pounds a year or 0.5 pounds a month. I am natty. I attribute it to diet and consistency.

Go to the store and look at hamburger and find a pack that weighs six pounds or two that weigh 3 pounds. 

Now, imagine that added to your arms and half to your quads. You'd look freaky. That is a LOT of beef/meat.

It is only normal to put on about 4 pounds of lean mass if you are genetically gifted and you're in your 20s.

It's also reasonable if you have not regulary lifted, IOW, a newbie.

It is very unusual to put on 30 pounds of MUSCLE, lean muscle in five years unless you are doing PEDs, and are genetically gifted to a near freaky level.

I'm not saying it's impossible but unless someone had certified weighings in by a clinician in a displacement tank I would take it with a grain of salt. 

I am 29. The weight gain would be from 24-29.

I am 6 feet tall and the weight gain was from 165-195. I had only played sports/martial arts etc. and done calisthenics prior to lifting heavy in the gym at 24.

I am probably genetically gifted. I can dunk as a 6’0 white guy.

Here are some pics for proof for you homos.

my brazilian ex gf too cause why not

and my filipina current gf

Iron will, you seem upset

Eat more, train more, and don’t have shitty genetics.

Fighters that have always been clean can naturally put on quality mass if everything is done right. Modern day nutrition, training and lifestyle habits are so precise and dialed in that discipline + coaching + genetics (that’s the biggest factor) make what was impossible 10 years ago very achievable today. GSP is probably the best example of this.

Ric Flair Drip -
Uhtred Ragnarson -
wiggum - Eating.

Dude I eat a fuck load and while I look good, I'm certainly not looking as massive as Darren Till for example.

What are your tips on taking in more calories? Fwiw, I train anywhere from 2-3 hours on a given day around 4-5x a week.

Stop whining. The muscle God's can hear you.

I besmirch my cowardice to Brodin, may he forgive when I pray to him in the temple of iron.

DanWilliamson - What is a good supplement for gaining weight naturally?

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HMB.</blockquote><p>Will do. Headed to GNC this Saturday.&nbsp;</p>

Does anyone have a solid lifting program thats somewhat minimalist. I'm following a fairly new SOF prep plan in addition to this, as you can imagine, it's a bitch.