Caught_clean - I think JDS has proved DRevan right. You cant just be a HW with amazing striking and good TDD and think you will become champ.
Sure you can, it's simply a reflection on the skillset in the division.
Sure you can, it's simply a reflection on the skillset in the division.
yabadaba -DRevan - Crocop was a HW from an earlier era, also one big skill striking..So Big Nog can't strike, Arlovski only has stand-up and Cro Cop is a HW from an earlier era with one big skill. You didn't watch any of these guys at the time and you don't even know their basic skillsets.
HA! cute
DRevan -Describe their basic skillsets.yabadaba -HA! cuteDRevan - Crocop was a HW from an earlier era, also one big skill striking..So Big Nog can't strike, Arlovski only has stand-up and Cro Cop is a HW from an earlier era with one big skill. You didn't watch any of these guys at the time and you don't even know their basic skillsets.
What's the matter is google down?
yabadaba -DRevan -Describe their basic skillsets.yabadaba -HA! cuteDRevan - Crocop was a HW from an earlier era, also one big skill striking..So Big Nog can't strike, Arlovski only has stand-up and Cro Cop is a HW from an earlier era with one big skill. You didn't watch any of these guys at the time and you don't even know their basic skillsets.
Are you kidding me son?
Really?
Do you know how to read?
Do you know who Nogueira is?
Read my post moran.
Nog IS a grappler/submission specialist, he never has, and he never will be known for his striking prowess. He was getting lit the fuck up by Herring and Sylvia in the UFC.
Crocop is a kickboxer, hes from an earlier era and he has one big skill..KICKBOXING..not wresting or jiu-jitsu.
Arlovski has great boxing he's a KO or be KO'd kinda guy, with ONE relevant submission to his credit against Sylvia.
Now...what part of that reiteration did you not understand?
Hmm 
People can say the heavyweight division is the weakest in terms of skill as much as they want, but the fact is that it's the absolute strongest division in the entire sport. Guys like GSP and Anderson do great in their weight class, but they wouldn't fare nearly as well against guys like Cro Cop, Nogueira, Herring, Nelson, Carwin, JDS, Fedor, Barnett, Cain, Coleman, Kerr and Sylvia. Heavyweight has always been the division to fight in if you want to prove you're the best of the best.
DRevan - Nog IS a grappler/submission specialist, he never has, and he never will be known for his striking prowess. He was getting lit the fuck up by Herring and Sylvia in the UFC.Nog was a decent striker by MMA standards, Cro Cop had excellent TDD and Arlovski started out as a ground specialist. None of these fighters were 'unathletic or unskilled "big men" or guys who were decent at one thing'. There were certainly one-dimensional fighters back then (as there are today - i.e. Lesnar, Kongo...) but these guys were not one-dimensional.
Crocop is a kickboxer, hes from an earlier era and he has one big skill..KICKBOXING..not wresting or jiu-jitsu.
Arlovski has great boxing he's a KO or be KO'd kinda guy, with ONE relevant submission to his credit against Sylvia.
And for the record are you claiming that you followed the sport back then and that you did not find out about their history through youtube, wikipedia and the like?
RoyCisneros - How long did it take you to see the greatness that was fedor?
for me.....
Fedor is one of only 2 MMA fighters I have ever felt was unbeatable at a point in time in mma. Frank Shamrock was the other. Unlike Fedor, I was really sold on Frank Shamrock after watching him only twice. I was a pretty Big Enson Inoue, and Kevin Jackson fan. Watching him and Enson exchange blows back and forth, and seeing him beat Enson down to the point where Egan had to rush in the ring was crazy. Watching Franks UFC debut against an opponent who was a total monster at the time like Kevin Jackson, and totally run through him was crazy. Frank struck me as one of the most well rounded, and amazing fighters at the time. I was pretty much sold on the guy after 2 fights. Fedor on the other hand was a total rollercoaster for me.
I didn't really realize his greatness untill he pretty much beat everyone imaginable. I remember when i first saw fedor fight i thought he was way too sloppy to ever be extremely successful. i had him pegged down as sort of a Melvin Manhoef type fighter. great power but sloppy enough to get caught by any skilled striker. I figured the sure way to beat him was to get a striker who could get off before him. also i figured a straight punch, and jabs would destroy him since he always throws those looping haymakers.
Seeing fedor fight herring, at the end of the fight herring had fedor on his back and i was so sure if an injured herring could get ontop of fedor after all that punishment, than a high calibur wrestler would be able stop and control fedor.
watching fedor against nog, i figured fedor was sloppy and playing into Nog. i seriously expected nog to catch him in a submission.
i was totally wrong countless times when it came to fedor.
I thought Randleman, and Coleman would keep him on his back and just dominate him into a decision victory. (i was really sold on randleman)
I thought Crocop would KO fedor
I thought arlovski would pick fedor apart or beat him with his speed
pretty much it took countless great opponents, and 9 years for me to finally see fedor lose, and I have to say nobody comes near his accomplishments.
how long did it take you?
I'm still looking. 
heroder - I started off with UFC but fell in love with Fedor and Pride after I saw how advanced Fedor was compared to the other HWs
All around great. His wrestling wasnt bad but the way he fought and put everything together was amazing.
Similar to Cain except with top level JJ & better striking & survivial skills
Yup Fedor's skills are more advanced than Zulu's
DoubleBACO -heroder - I started off with UFC but fell in love with Fedor and Pride after I saw how advanced Fedor was compared to the other HWs
All around great. His wrestling wasnt bad but the way he fought and put everything together was amazing.
Similar to Cain except with top level JJ & better striking & survivial skills
Yup Fedor's skills are more advanced than Zulu's
And big Nog's, and the ufc champs at the time Tim Sylvia and Andre, who he finished both of inside a round. You dont have to appreciate fedors skills but dont pretend the best he ever beat was Zulu. In a new years eve FREAK SHOW MATCH.
Anyone who doesn't know Zulu he is 6'6 around 300 pounds, was 4-0 (4kos)at the time and claims a 38-0 vale tudo record. (Some fights definitely happened, theres video of a few pretty sweet KO's)
When I saw that sweater.
vs Herring. even with the reversal it was just pure GNP brutality. we never saw Herring in that much trouble until then.
Devlin -DoubleBACO -heroder - I started off with UFC but fell in love with Fedor and Pride after I saw how advanced Fedor was compared to the other HWs
All around great. His wrestling wasnt bad but the way he fought and put everything together was amazing.
Similar to Cain except with top level JJ & better striking & survivial skills
Yup Fedor's skills are more advanced than Zulu's
And big Nog's, and the ufc champs at the time Tim Sylvia and Andre, who he finished both of inside a round. You dont have to appreciate fedors skills but dont pretend the best he ever beat was Zulu. In a new years eve FREAK SHOW MATCH.
Anyone who doesn't know Zulu he is 6'6 around 300 pounds, was 4-0 (4kos)at the time and claims a 38-0 vale tudo record. (Some fights definitely happened, theres video of a few pretty sweet KO's)
They were champs YEARS before they ever fought fedor. They both lost out of the UFC before fighting him so what the hell was your point?
Salokcin69 - They both lost out of the UFC before fighting him so what the hell was your point?Following his loss to Rizzo Arlovski went 9-2 in the UFC with his only loses in title fights. After losing the title to Sylvia he went 3-0 and then left the UFC. If Cain wins his next 3 fights and then leaves the UFC there will be future versions of you claiming that Cain "lost out of the UFC" and they will be wrong too.
yabadaba -Salokcin69 - They both lost out of the UFC before fighting him so what the hell was your point?Following his loss to Rizzo Arlovski went 9-2 in the UFC with his only loses in title fights. After losing the title to Sylvia he went 3-0 and then left the UFC. If Cain wins his next 3 fights and then leaves the UFC there will be future versions of you claiming that Cain "lost out of the UFC" and they will be wrong too.
Ok, well then I wrong on that point. But still. I honestly wont give fedor credit until one of two things happens.
1. He goes to the UFC and fights the best in the world at the time he is fighting them AND wins.
Or (and even more unlikely)
2. The UFC (or someone?) buys every single major organization in the world, and signs the best fighters into one org, and goes there to fight.
Probably the Sylvia fight.
I dont get the people saying "still waiting." I have never bought into Fedor being the GOAT-way too many cans on his resume--but he's clearly an all-time great and almost certainly the greatest HW of all-time.
Salokcin69 -yabadaba -Ok, well then I wrong on that point. But still. I honestly wont give fedor credit until one of two things happens. <br><br>1. He goes to the UFC and fights the best in the world at the time he is fighting them AND wins. <br><br>Or (and even more unlikely)<br><br>2. The UFC (or someone?) buys every single major organization in the world, and signs the best fighters into one org, and goes there to fight. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>Salokcin69 - They both lost out of the UFC before fighting him so what the hell was your point?Following his loss to Rizzo Arlovski went 9-2 in the UFC with his only loses in title fights. After losing the title to Sylvia he went 3-0 and then left the UFC. If Cain wins his next 3 fights and then leaves the UFC there will be future versions of you claiming that Cain "lost out of the UFC" and they will be wrong too.
Fedor has fought the best already.
I fucking hate this website. Same rehashed bullshit. If you can't appreciate Fedor's accomplishments, then you have no reference point. Everything you know about MMA is undermined when you say Emelianenko was hype.
You know who was hype? Pedro Rizzo. Kimbo Slice. Bobby Lashley.
Yes, after not losing for ten years Fedor has lost.
On a similar note: Carl Lewis would get smoked now days. Roger Maris couldn't win a batting title in 2011. And Charlie Chaplin's schtick just isn't funny anymore.
crantis - You know who was hype? Pedro Rizzo. Kimbo Slice. Bobby Lashley.Pedro Rizzo didn't turn out to be as good as many people predicted - but he was not hype.