How much experience in years does everyone recommend to compete in Class-C Shooto fights?
Enough to not get killed anyways?
It depends on the individual. I had about 1 year experience before doing an amateur shootfighting tournament (no head shots, no strikes on the ground - is this C - class shooto?).
I did OK, get your stamina up, and have confidence in yourself, and remember your there to have fun and you will be OK.
Sorry theJJKid, ment C - class shooto.
My goal is to compete in it next year if it is still around. I am training BJJ, but thats about it apart from boxing but really only train at home (bag work, skipping, shadow boxing etc.) Is this realistic for C-Class?
Is that enough to not get killed?
If you are going into any fight get some training in your stand up, and be at least a blue belt in BJJ.
This is just my opinion and represents what I believe to be the minimum level of skill, the more skills the better IMO.
Dave "the Sloth" Krstic
edit* load of crap
Thanks Dave, I haven't train at Dominance Gym for ages.... I'll might pop in on Friday for a quick roll, as I am looking to start training with you guys again.
Is the Friday open matt Gi or No Gi at Dominance?
Cheers,
Paul
Years!...
wtf
maybe a good solid couple of months. this is C class no?
You may not win after a couple of months training thats because everone else is a BJJ blue belt!
But you can't beat the experience of just being in the ring!
hands up who has ever been hurt in C class? (shouldn't be many i hope - this could backfire though lol)
Later
Can someone give me a brief rundown on the C-class rules.
I am assuming it's:
Punches, Kicks, and Knees to body and legs while standing (no strikes above the shoulder). No strikes to the joints.
No strikes on the ground. Limited leg locks, no neck cranks.
If this was the case then I'd get in there as soon as I felt I knew enough to get a submission. And knew how to fall. Of course at least one takedown, and learn how to check or jam leg kicks is also useful.
In my opinion the strikes are not going to end the match (but don't understimate the knees), its a grapplers game.
My understanding was it was full stand up rules with no striking on the ground.
You had to wear head gear, bigger gloves, shin guard with instep?
Fewer rounds and quicker.
Could be wrong though?
From what i'va seen, some blue belts got their asses handed to them at the last amature show in Sydney with all respect to them for getting inside the ring. Another guy with little BJJ experience gave a solid BJJ guy of a high grade a very good run for his money which inpresed me, as i was expecting the BJJ guy to finish him in seconds.
So my conclusion is, you dnt knw till you get in the ring and try it for yourself. That's the only way to even get to know yourself better, after all its class C which is pretty safe as you have protection and a ref. who is there to protect the fighters safety.
just my 2c..
Hey Paulmat,
Friday night is straight open mat at Dominance, if you want to train gi or no gi, it's your choice. There will guys there training both.
Cam
In the response to how much experience for C-Class.
People are very unrealistic in their opinion or expectations about C-Class Shooto.
I had guys with as little as three months training, and others with over three years. Their results were mixed.
As shown in the Sydney show a BJJ purple belt could not put away a BJJ White. If it was a BJJ comp the white belt would have been finished in minutes.
People are matched according not only by weight but also by experience. As long as coaches/fighters are honest with peoples experience when they submit their forms, people are matched evenly. Not everyone is assured of a fight, safety is our greatest concern.
One of greatest consideration in matching upfighters is their stand up fighting experience. But the referees are well trained and there is a three knock down rule and only a five count.
The emphasis in scoring is not aggression and damage, rather fighters are rewarded points for takedowns, controls and sumission attempts, and standing points are awarded similar to amateur boxing/kickboxing,
This is the big difference between C-Class and B & A where damage and aggression are the main factors in scoring.
There is no belt level or minimum number of stand up fights necessary, people are matched fairly and the referee controls the match.
People should get their forms in early to be matched fairly, other wise they should stop procrastinating and sit back, watch and enjoy the show.
There you have it Paul. Direct from Larry, if you are going to take anyones advice, take his, he knows what it takes.
Cam filled you in so see you on the mat.
Dave "the Sloth" Krstic
We have one guy entering from Echuca who is 18 and 3 months and has opnly been training once a week up here for under 5 months!
What I say to every fighter "Readiness is only relevant to the task at hand".
It seems a common philosophy that I hear in matchmaking endeavours is that "I have to be a bluebelt"
Well sure to do to fight another bluebelt!
As Larry mentioned having the correct information is vital too. You get a club that sandbags in order to get titles etc.. it makes things very hard and dangerous.
Personally I would feel confident that if you expressed your true level as a fighter Larry or any credible matchmaker will match you evenly.
My only advice to the debutant or novice fighter, try to avoid being matched against a fighter aligned to the promoter.
Justin
Good post Larry.
I agree most people's expectations of ability/standard to compete in 'C' class or similar events is unrealistically high.
As Larry says, as long as opponents are matched intelligently and responsibly, there should be minimal potential for injury/trauma beyond that expected in any full contact combat sport.
Get your nominations in NOW!!!!
Regards
Gerald.