You better significantly outpoint your opponent like a mayweather, machida or Gsp
If your entire strategy is to avoid engagement you can't expect to win the fight by touching your opponent a few more times
I think part of the reason people are giving condit the fight is because they did not expect Diaz to look like that. They are used to seeing Diaz back his opponents to the fence and battering the shit out of them. When Diaz wasn't able to do that, somehow this got translated into condit winning, because he wasn't letting Diaz do what he wanted to do. But I'm sorry u need to do more in a fight to win than simply not letting your opponent do what he wants. 
Every single one of your posts should bring shame to yourself.
Please, for the love of MMA.. just stop.
If a football team has a great defense they better do something more then score 3 more points then their opponents. They have to win by about 21
then lets stop all the lay an prey wrestle fucking also. that is no different then what condit did. condit did a smart fight an won.sometimes being smart isn't pretty. should sonnen be told to just stand with anderson? that is basically what people are wanting condit to of done. do what helps the other guy more then yourself. he was smart an won end of story
Controlling where the fight takes place really? How do u control by running away
goku - Controlling where the fight takes place really? How do u control by running away <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
he controlled it the whole fight. was diaz able to hit him when he wanted? was diaz able to force him into doing anything? no diaz wasn't, so yes condit did control it.
Drunkie - then lets stop all the lay an prey wrestle fucking also. that is no different then what condit did. condit did a smart fight an won.sometimes being smart isn't pretty. should sonnen be told to just stand with anderson? that is basically what people are wanting condit to of done. do what helps the other guy more then yourself. he was smart an won end of story
Yes wrestlefuckng is the same thing. But Gsp doubles or triples his strikes over his opponent. Yes it's boring but he deserves to win.
goku - Controlling where the fight takes place really? How do u control by running away
Octagon control is hitting someone and forcing them to fight in corners and against the fence. It isn't having a guy use lateral footwork to dance around you and leg kick you 300 times
goku - You better significantly outpoint your opponent like a mayweather, machida or Gsp<br><br>If your entire strategy is to avoid engagement you can't expect to win the fight by touching your opponent a few more times<br><br>I think part of the reason people are giving condit the fight is because they did not expect Diaz to look like that. They are used to seeing Diaz back his opponents to the fence and battering the shit out of them. When Diaz wasn't able to do that, somehow this got translated into condit winning, because he wasn't letting Diaz do what he wanted to do. But I'm sorry u need to do more in a fight to win than simply not letting your opponent do what he wants. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
That's exactly what it comes down to:
Who did more?
What's so controversial to think that Condit did? It was close but Nick def did not hit it out of the park. Sure he was coming forward and clowning, that doesnt mean he was doing more.
thedudebro - Don't give me that, 'Oh I am a Nick Diaz fan and still think Condit won' BS.
Any true MMA fan would appreciate the caliber of each mixed martial artist already. That match was a ROBBERY. Octagon control was completely ignored when scoring that match.
your ignoring the other parts. octagin control is only a small part in scoring. hell big country was walking homie down the whole fight should we give him the win? no there is more to it then just walking forward
Drunkie -goku - Controlling where the fight takes place really? How do u control by running away <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
he controlled it the whole fight. was diaz able to hit him when he wanted? was diaz able to force him into doing anything? no diaz wasn't, so yes condit did control it.
U control by proactively causing your opponent to do things. That is what Diaz was doing. He was the one that was constantly pushing condit back to the fence. You don't control or dictate by being reactive. Condit was reactive 96% of the fight.
" I think part of the reason people are giving condit the fight is because they did not expect Diaz to look like that."
Whereas certainly none of the reason people are giving Diaz the fight is because they spent months saying Condit "literally has nothing for him" and no way to win the fight.
" u need to do more in a fight to win than simply not letting your opponent do what he wants."
This is a little confusing. You concede he landed more, and you concede he didn't let Nick do what he wants (i.e. control). So what "more" did Nick do?
Drunkie -thedudebro - Don't give me that, 'Oh I am a Nick Diaz fan and still think Condit won' BS.
Any true MMA fan would appreciate the caliber of each mixed martial artist already. That match was a ROBBERY. Octagon control was completely ignored when scoring that match.
your ignoring the other parts. octagin control is only a small part in scoring. hell big country was walking homie down the whole fight should we give him the win? no there is more to it then just walking forward
I'm not ignoring the other parts. That's the whole point of this thread. If the striking is close, u have to focus on control and aggression which nick won.
Goku, not you!!!! Condit was dictating and controlling, I don't know how you argue that. All Diaz did was plod forward, no octagon control at all. Condit dictated where the fight took place completely. That's how he won.
" u have to focus on control and aggression which nick won."
So Nick won "control" even though you said yourself Condit didn't let Nick do what he wanted to do? What did Nick do to keep Condit from doing what he wanted? Because as far as I can tell Condit did it all night long.
goku -Drunkie -I'm not ignoring the other parts. That's the whole point of this thread. If the striking is close, u have to focus on control and aggression which nick won. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>thedudebro - Don't give me that, 'Oh I am a Nick Diaz fan and still think Condit won' BS.
Any true MMA fan would appreciate the caliber of each mixed martial artist already. That match was a ROBBERY. Octagon control was completely ignored when scoring that match.
your ignoring the other parts. octagin control is only a small part in scoring. hell big country was walking homie down the whole fight should we give him the win? no there is more to it then just walking forward
you was not the guy i quoted in that post sir.that was to him not to you. i disagree with you view but have respect how you have tried to argue the points which is not the norm. most of the time people just insult people that disagree on here.
how did condit control were the fight took place? all he controlled was were the fight did not take place! I'm a fAn of footwork and defensive fighting I'm a gsP fan but he clearly ran all night thru weak strikes with his hands only thru strong kicks that Diaz walked thru and was afraid too exchange he would combo and get and out re set and repeat. the gameplan worked but he lost Alot of fans. the one thing u learned from this fight winner or not was that diaz was the tougher more game fighter. He is a true warrior not a point fighter call me stupid ands newb all u want but condit was scared too trade. I was surprised he has traded with people with one punch KO power but wanted no part of Diaz.
Agree with OP. Without question you cannot hit as hard moving back as you do moving forward. That's why people made such a big deal out of Chuck KO'ing Babalu while moving back. You can win a fight moving back, but you have to score much more than your opponent (or I thought so before last night), and sometimes landing more shots isn't enough to win because the other guy will be landing harder pushing forward the whole time.
orcus - " I think part of the reason people are giving condit the fight is because they did not expect Diaz to look like that."
Whereas certainly none of the reason people are giving Diaz the fight is because they spent months saying Condit "literally has nothing for him" and no way to win the fight.
" u need to do more in a fight to win than simply not letting your opponent do what he wants."
This is a little confusing. You concede he landed more, and you concede he didn't let Nick do what he wants (i.e. control). So what "more" did Nick do?
Pretty much this. People watched that fight and saw what they wanted to see I think. People who loved Diaz saw him win, people who hate him saw him lose. I like both guys, I saw Diaz get his leg fucked up (he changed stance several times), actually look tired, and was more beaten up at the end of the fight. I dont care for the strategy Condit used, but I did think he won (and sold his soul in doing so) but I have to agree with Orcus here.