Imagine the fighters are ONLY skilled in the one aspect of fighting.
Is the following true? In general?
Wrestler > Boxer
Jiu Jitsu > Wrestler
Boxer > Jiu Jitsu
Wrestler, but it's a fight so it can go any way.
Zhoo zitsu is greatest fight in world, fren.
Thugjitsu > Cowboy Karate
i think jits would be the style to have if u could only have one
cuz with jits u get semi decent takedowns and all the subs
judo > all
Bort McAllister - Imagine the fighters are ONLY skilled in the one aspect of fighting.Is the following true? In general?Wrestler > Boxer
Jiu Jitsu > Wrestler
Boxer > Jiu Jitsu
Dude, this is bizarre. I had this same exact thought tonight while watching Kosch/Paulo... and Rogan was saying how Paulo had no way to get him where he wanted him.
I was, in my mind, relating it to how
Ranged > Magic
Magic > Melee
Melee > Ranged
in WarCraft 3. But I am a dork.
paper > rock
rock > scissors
scissors > paper
Leigh - assuming that they are all equally athletic and equally well trained in their sport, then jiu jitsu
Shaolin kung fu > everything
^Dan Severn, Kimo and Ken Shamrock were handpicked to make Royce look good?
stevekt - paper > rock
rock > scissors
scissors > paper
I can see your point. Took me awhile however now it's clear as a bell.
Ken Lee - The original post is correct except for the fact that Jiu-Jitsu also trumps boxing.
I guess so, seeing how Jiu Jitsu actually deals with takedowns, where as boxers don't.
Ju-Jitsu pretty much owns all 3 assuming they're all equally talented and one-dimensional.
Look no further than the early 90's for proof of any of this. Steve Jennum, a guy who did martial arts in his spare time absolutely served up Melton Bowen, a guy who boxed for a living. Royce (and many other Gracies and BJJers) also served up their fair share of 1-dimensional fighters.
I swear recent MMA has seemingly made people forget the first 25 UFC's ever even happened.
Here's a better example of A>B>C>A
Imagine the following three fighters.
A boxer with average takedown defense but zero ground, zero.
A great wrestler with literally zero standup.
A great BJJ guy with poor takedowns and average striking.
The boxer trashes the BJJ guy because he keeps it standing.
The wrestler kills the boxer because he gets one takedown and the boxer has zero ground.
The BJJ guy beats the wrestler because he either subs him or beats him standing (the wrestler has zero standup).
A>B>C>A
RAPE > MURDER > CANIBALISM > RAPE
and so on....
CDarwin - ^Dan Severn, Kimo and Ken Shamrock were handpicked to make Royce look good?
Absolutely 100% yes. The fact that they were bigger and had little to no real submission knowledge was a big player in them getting selected.
You say, "Kenny had subs" well a little bit, but Kenny was basically an 'enhnaced' pro wrestler with some open-hand style fights (over smaller opponents) and Royce choked him with his gi (his sleeves to be exact). Kenny was dangerous to be sure but he was most definitely brought in becasue they believed (rightly so) they had a gameplan to beat him.
Dan Severn was absolutely selected to showcase that a bigger fighter could be submitted. Not only did Dan know nothing about submissions he didn't even know how to punch correctly.
And Kimo flat out lied on his paperwork, claiming to be a TKD fighter. The Gracies were very pissy about that fact, "hey we didn't know he'd be grappling". Hair pulling ensued.
Yes all hand-picked to showcase GJJ, the one man they seemed to actually fear to some extent (and rightfully fuggin so imo) was Gerard Gordeau, who was put on the other side of the bracket. By the time he met Royce in the final match he had already broken a hand and a foot.
Again a testament to jiu-jitsu, being that you don't have to break yourself to win the fight. The entire event was stacked in their favor including the surface which was extremely padded even by today's standards.
There was a great thread about UFC 1 on here last year with a link to an awesome article where they talked to all the participants and BJM. Somebody ttt that badboy it's worth another read imo.
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NameCaller -
Royce choked him with his gi (his sleeves to be exact).
royce caught ken in a mata leo from the side not a sleeve choke.
i thought it was a sleeve choke at 1st too but it is not. watch as royce gets his elbow all the way through and locks up the mata leo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5sdnJ4Al4w
Son of a bitch I think you're right, it's hard to tell but you do just get a split second angle of him closing over the elbow...
The sad part is I have this event on VHS at home somewhere (but my only remaining VCR is not hooked up to any of the tvs in the house -lol).
Good call mang.