ISCF Helps Make MMA Legal

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It seems like everyone forgets that Jamie Levine and the WEF was a major reason for MMA in GA and for the ISCF's rise in that state. Being the sanctioning body over a major fighting event that drew thousands upon thousands of fans helped give them a lot more power. It's ironic, but Jamie Levine helped give the ISCF their legitimacy in the beginning.

Jamie had the ISCF sanction his event way before it was required. He worked with Mike Carlson and wrote the recommendation for the ISCF to the state. He also tried to bring the ISCF to WV as the sanctioning body, as he did in other states. You can't forget the power and influence that Levine had during that time period, and his ability to use that power helped make the ISCF a legitimate organization in MMA and in the eyes of politicians.

I was there. I saw it all with my own eyes. I watched the praises given him by the ISCF and I heard many "thank you's" from several of the top dogs in that organization. They openly admitted that his help made them more legit and gave them a leg to stand on. I was part of conversations between Jamie and Carlson, and between Jamie and Fossum.

I was there and I remember it. Too bad others have somehow forgotten.

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"To my knowledge the only person ever specifically banned was Jaime Levine, and then only after a number of incidents where fighters didn't get paid."

I'm not defending anyone, but just for the sake of making sure the record is straight, it was one show and all fighters were paid - eventually. Yeah, it took a long time, but at least Jamie was stand up enough to eventually pay all fighters, and he added extra. There are several promoters who have run off after events and never went back to pay the fighters. I'm not defending the fact that they were not paid immediately (all fighters deserve and depend on being paid the night they fight), but he did eventually pay everyone.

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"All the people that needed the proof have received it and even some that didn't need to see it were privy to it."

If the ISCF REQUIRES insurance for an event to be sacntioned, whay can't that insurance information be public knowledge?

I was just thinking, I have been involved with a bunch of shows, but I don't remember the last time a fighter asked to see the insurance info. The sanctioning body does, but I don't think fighters really do.

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"I would like to know if any of you have fought to help make MMA legal in any state? I would also like to know what part did any of you play in helping to make MMA legal in Georgia? The ISCF has done that and been successfull in Georgia and other states. What have yall done?"

I used to write e-mails to anyone who would listen back in the dark days of MMA, including any time a media outlet did a hit piece on MMA. I've tried to offer helpful tips over the years to people seeking to legalize MMA in various states. Frankly, most fans are uneducated, awkward and ham-handed in approaching the legislative process and on occasion may unintentionally do more harm than good.

In more recent years, I have had conversations with legislators and with people associated with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (including a few commmissioners) about the benefits of legalizing MMA in Nevada. (Although I am certainly not claiming any credit at all for the ultimate legalization of MMA there.)

In 2001, I attended hearings and drafted the regulations contained in the Nevada Administrative Code that regulate MMA in Nevada. (I've worked on almost all of the significant legislation and regulations involving unarmed combat in the past 10 years in Nevada.)

I obviously did not play any role whatsoever in the battle for legalization in Georgia, but I did read about it and wished y'all well in your endeavors. I am glad that you succeeded.

As for what I'll do in Georgia in the future to support the sport, I'll come to most MMA shows that are held, even if the fighters are totally unknown and even if I have to drive 6 hours each way. Set up the shows, and I'm there. I've gone to MMA shows all over the U.S. and spent a grotesque amount of money doing so.

If I can help to legalize professional MMA in South Carolina without jeopardizing my employment, I will certainly do so. I know the legislative process quite well, and I know quite a few legislators here. I can hardly think of a better use of my somewhat specialized skills than trying to help the sport I love.

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"I would like to know if any of you have fought to help make MMA legal in any state?"

I hear that question on here a lot. Grappledog gave a great answer so I'd like for a lot of people to read it again:

As for what I'll do in Georgia in the future to support the sport, I'll come to most MMA shows that are held, even if the fighters are totally unknown and even if I have to drive 6 hours each way. Set up the shows, and I'm there. I've gone to MMA shows all over the U.S. and spent a grotesque amount of money doing so.

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Listen, I'm not trying to say that there is something horribly wrong with the ISCF. They are a very good organization but THE ISCF IS APPROACHING ALL 50 STATES.

The ISCF will be approaching all 50 states in the first 5 quarters of 2005 about becoming the only sanctioning body of MMA in those states. Do you know who the ISCF is? Do you know who they are and what they represent? It's like running for president, as soon as you announce that you are ruuning you open yourself up for intense scrutiny. The ISCF already has sole sanctioning in 3 states, and 20 more might be on the way.

This isn't against the IKF, this is just hard questioning. After all the times we've fought for this sport, you'd think more people would pay attention and question the IKF/ISCF. It's not that they are bad people, but there are some problems. If they are approaching all 50 states, then they should answers those questions and critics in public. 

If the IKF/ISCF gets all 50 states then great. I'm not trying to stop that. THEY ARE A LEGITIMATE ORGANIZATION. The IKF/ISCF has their shit together in a lot of respects. They care about the athletes. They have put on well run events. And if Steve Fossum says he may have 23 states he ain't bullshitting. But what I'm trying to say is where are the questions? Stop just a minute and think about what it would be like to have one sanctioning body over all 50 states for MMA.... Wouldn't you want to ask some questions? I mean, a bunch of TTT's on a thread where someone says they are approaching all 50 states for sole sanctioning power???? WTF is wrong with people?

Look at this:

As of January 2005, the ISCF has been contacted by approximately 20 more states asking to have the ISCF as the required Sanctioning Body over all Mixed Martial Arts events in their state.

REQUIRED = THE ONLY ONE = SOLE SANCTIONING BODY

They already control 3 states and now they say that 20 MORE are ready to give over the power to them. 

THEY WILL BE THE SOLE SANCTIOING BODY FOR MMA IN 23 STATES!! WITH PLANS FOR 50!!

We sit around here and argue about what altrenate fight didn't get shown, who pissed on who in the TV show, who would Rickson beat, blah blah blah. Then a legitimate organization makes a post saying that they pretty much can control MMA in 23 STATES and they have PLANS FOR ALL 50 you don't ask any freaking questions about their plans or goals or ideas for MMA??

I'm not asking people to slam them, but damn, I want them to answer how they are going to fix some issues they've had in the past as a sanctioning body. I wanna know what their plans are. What rule changes do they support and do they have plans to change any of them. Do they like the ring or the cage.

THE ISCF SAYS THEY COULD HAVE 23 STATES

And no one is interested in asking them some good questions as well as some hard ones? 

Do you know who Steve Fossum is? He is the the World President of the IKF and the ISCF. I am very interested to know how many people here know who Steve Fossum is? I'm not saying Steve is a bad guy at all, but why are people not asking any questions? I think the ISCF needs to come on this forum and discuss stuff with people. I know the people of the UG, and not questioning an organization that is approaching all 50 states is confusing to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How he got to here...

IKF and ISCF World President and Master Sensei Steve Fossum use to run one of the largest martial arts schools in the Nation. It was 3 levels and over 17,000 square feet in size with over 400 students. However, the growth of the IKF as well as eventually the ISCF forced him to make a decision as to his time and efforts.

The IKF experienced its main growth between 1997 and 1999 after their websites were created. www.IKFKickboxing.com and www.ISCFMMA.com. Because of this growth, Mr. Fossum has an intense travel schedule and is on the road a lot, traveling to IKF and ISCF events around the world. From this growth, Mr. Fossum was forced to make a decision as to where his time, energy and efforts would best be utilized. Lucky for all of us in the IKF and ISCF he choose the path of the IKF and the ISCF

However, his choice was not because he didn't like teaching martial arts. Instead it was the loss of desire to compete competitively with what many of us know as "The Black Belt Factory Schools." When he first opened his school in Newcastle it was his 12th martial arts school. His competition was with 4 good schools in a 10 mile radius. By the time he closed his commercial karate school 8 years later in 1998, 11 schools had opened up within that 10 mile radius of his offering free uniforms, quick belt promotions and many more marketing incentives for new students to sign-up. To compete he had to face the facts. Offer quicker belt promotions, make the requirements much easier and make black belt a lot easier. It was a move he didn't want to make so he choose to close his doors and only teach a select few private students. In December of 1998, Mr. Fossum decided to close his commercially operated karate school.

After several changes around the facility, he reopened in June of 1999 as a Private Club that was 11,000 square feet in size. The facility would be the new home for Ringside Gym, operated by former IKF Champion Greg Kirkpatrick teaching both Kickboxing & Boxing and Foothill Self Defense, the commercial karate school at the facility operated by Fossum's first black belt Conrad Woodall. Also in the facility was a chiropractor office operated by one of Fossum's former students, Dr. Bill Gillispie and of course, the new home and offices for the IKF and ISCF. As far as his karate training went, Fossum still teaches a select few of his higher belts weekly.

His decision to focus on the IKF was one of the greatest decisions of his life. As World President of the IKF since 1992, he and his worldwide associates have built the IKF which sanctions the sport of kickboxing on every continent around the world. This includes overseeing fighters, trainers, promoters, officials and events.

As World President of the ISCF since 1999, with the help of ISCF World Advisor Mike Carlson, they have built the ISCF (the only non promoting sanctioning body for mixed martial arts) into one of the best neutral sanctioning bodies for MMA in the world as well.

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Here are the ISCF weight classes:

ISCF
WEIGHT CLASSES
AMATEUR & PRO

Lightweight: 140 & Below - 63.63 kg & Below

Welterweight: 140.1 - 155 lbs. - 63.64 - 70.45 kg.

Light Middleweight: 155.1 - 170 lbs. - 70.46 - 77.27 kg.

Middleweight: 170.1 - 185 lbs. - 77.28 - 84.09 kg.

Light Heavyweight: 185.1 - 200 lbs. - 84.10 - 90.90 kg.

Heavyweight: 200.1 - 220 lbs. 90.91 - 100 kg.

Super Heavyweight: 220.1 lbs. & UP - 100.1 kg & UP.

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Here are their current champions (this could be the list for 23 states):

ISCF LIGHTWEIGHT: 140 lbs & Below
63.63 kg & Below
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

  • World Champion: Vacant
  • All Titles: Vacant
  1. Ryota Matsune, Japan, 13-1-1, 5'3 (160cm), 132 (60kg), Paraestra Matsudo
  2. Kentaro Imaizumi, Japan, 9-2-1, 5'7 (170cm), 132 (60kg), 11-24-77, SK Absolute
  3. Urijah Faber, Davis, California, USA, 5-0, 5'6 (168cm), 140 (64kg), Capital City Fighting Alliance
  4. Del Hawkins, Arizona, USA, 16-8, 135 (61kg), Team Thunder
  5. Masahiro Oishi, Tokyo, Japan, 8-7-4, 132 (60kg), 11-29-68, K'z Factory
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ISCF WELTERWEIGHT: 140.1 lbs. - 155 lbs.
63.65 kg - 70.45 kg
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

ISCF
WELTERWEIGHT
WORLD
CHAMPION
Din Thomas
Orlando, Florida, USA, 14-4, 5'10", 155, 23, 9-28-76, Paul Rodriguez, (407) 382-8888
August 25th, 2000, Augusta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Jens "The Pulverizer" Puiver (Team Extreme) by heel hook at :35 seconds of round 2.
Upcoming Title Challenges: None

  • United States Champion: Darrell "The Bulldog" Smith
    • August 17, 2002, Kokomo, Indiana, USA: Defeated Brian Garaghty of Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA by Unanimous Decision after 3 rounds.

  • East Coast Champion: Shawn Porter

    • October 12th in Griffin, Georgia, USA: Defeated Walter "Peewee" McCall of Valdosta, Georgia, USA by Unamious Decicion.

  • South East U.S. Champion: Jeff Bedard

    • August 7th, 2004, Atlanta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Aaron Williams by Unanimous Decision after 3 rounds and 15 minutes of fighting.

  • All Other Titles: Vacant


  1. Duane Ludwig, Denver, Colorado, USA, 9-3, 5'11,155, 8-4-78, 3-D martial Arts, Clarence Thatch, Sven Bean, 303-667-8612 or beanz4@msn.com
  2. Jens Pulver, Davenport, Iowa, USA, 18-4-1/13, 5'7", 155, 12-6-74, Miletich Martial Arts, (319) 386-6174 also see HERE
  3. Yves Edwards, Woodlands, Texas, USA, 19-8-1, 155, 5'10", 9-30-76, Third Column
  4. Marcus Aurelio, USA, 10-2, 155, 5'10", American Top Team
  5. Edson Diniz, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA, 8-1, 154, 5'9", American Top Team
  6. USC: Darrell Smith, Fishers, Indiana, USA, Pro: 8-7-1, AM: 21-5/11, 5'8", 155, 8-16-76, Donnie Michaels, (765) 457-4083
  7. SEC: Jeff Bedard, Georgia, USA, 5-0, AFA, All Other Stats TBA
  8. Alexandre Franca Nogueira, Brazil, 10-2-2, 5'7 (170cm), 143 (65kg), World Fight Center
  9. Norifumi Yamamoto Tokyo, Japan, 9-1, 5'4 (163cm), 143 (65kg), 3-15-77, Purebred Tokyo
  10. Jeff Curran, Crystal Lakes, Illinois, USA, 18-7-1, 5'6 (168cm), 145 (66kg), 9-02-77, Team Curran
  11. Aaron Williams, Biloxi, Mississippi, USA, 7-3, Dixson's Dungeon, All Other Stats TBA, J. Dixon, (228) 497-5687
  12. Hermes Franca, Orlando, Florida, USA, 8-2, 154, American Top Team
  13. Richard Crunkilton, New Smyrna, Florida, USA, 8-1/1, 5'8", 150, 11-25-79, Larry Jones, (904) 427-8115.
  14. York Ash, Dallas, Texas, USA, 15-3/7, 155, 5'10", 11-25-74, York: (214) 498-8439 or e-mail at yorksash@yahoo.com
  15. Tommy Kirk, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA, 6-9-1, 155, 5'9", 5-5-80, Palmer/Jason Godsey, (317) 888-9682
  16. Keith Wilson,Muuussas Virginia, USA, 2-1, 155, 5'8", 8-13-66, Bob Cook, (714) 963-6604
  17. Brian Geraghty, Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin, USA, 8-4-1/2, 155, 5'7", 11-9-80, Adrian Serrano, (262) 694-8993
  18. Matt Phillips, Eugene, Oregon, USA, MMA: 6-3, KB 4-0, 5'6", 147, Need DOB, Self HM (541) 773-1950, CELL (541) 944-1276 or: mphillips@alphatelcom.com
  19. ECC: Shawn Porter, Spartonburg, South Carolina, USA, 13-3, 155, 5'4", 11-30-77, Lee Coats, (864) 578-2415

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ISCF LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT: 155.1 lbs. - 170 lbs.
70.46 kg - 77.27
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

  • World Champion: Vacant
  • British Champion: Jay Gilbey
    • April 22nd, 2001, North Hampton England: Won title by forfeit when opponent, Martin Ruddock, did not show up for bout.

  • United States Champion: Cam McHargue

    • March 16, 2002, Augusta Georgia, USA: Defeated Todd Carney of Moundsville, West Virginia, USA by triangle choke at the 1:16 mark of round 2.

  • All Other Titles: Vacant


  1. B.J. Penn, Hilo, Hawaii, USA, 8-1-1, 169, 5'9", 12-13-78, BJ Penn's MMA
  2. Matt Hughes, Charleston, Illinois, USA, 33-4-0, 169, 5'9", 10-13-73, Miletich Martial Arts
  3. Sean Sherk, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, 26-1-1, 5'6 (168cm), 170 (77kg), 8-5-73.
  4. Jason Black, Benttenford, Iowa, USA, 17-0-1/9, 5'8", 170, 8-15-72, Miletich Martial Arts, (319) 386-6174 also see HERE
  5. USC: Cam McHargue, Griffin, Georgia, USA, 12-2, 168, 5'11", 5-26-69, Joel Chavous, (478) 475-1092 - More info Click Here.
  6. John Alessio, California, USA, 14-6, 169, 5'9", 7-7-79, Millenia Jiu-Jitsu / Bad Intentions
  7. Chris Lytle, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA, 15-10-4, 5'11", 170, 8-18-74, Jason Godsey, 317-309-5467
  8. Ronald Jhun, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA, 22-12-2, 170, 5'11", Jesus is Lord
  9. Frank Trigg, Rochester, New York , USA, 10-2, 5'8", 169, 5-7-72, Rico Chipparelli / rAw Team, (310) 322-5552.
  10. Shonie Carter, Chicago, Illinois, USA, 26-10-5, 169, 5'9", 5-3-72, no contact info available.

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ISCF MIDDLEWEIGHT: 170.1 lbs. - 185 lbs.
77.28 kg - 84.09
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

ISCF
MIDDLEWEIGHT
WORLD
CHAMPION
Steve Headden
Atlanta, Georgia, USA, 11-3-1/--, 185, 6', 33, 12-10-68, LA Boxing, (404) 918-0454
October 25th, 2003, Dalton, Georgia, USA: Defeated Shannon Ritch of Tempe, Arizona, USA by verbal submission from strike at 1:42 of round 1.
Upcoming Title Challenges: None

  • East Coast US Champion: Jason Miller
    • December 9th, 2001. Atlanta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Todd Carney of Moundsville, West Virginia, USA (172) by submission at 2:53 of round 2.
    • Defense: February 1, 2003, Atlanta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Todd Carney by TKO at 2:31 of round 1.

  • All Other Titles: Vacant


  1. Jeremy Horn, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA, 110-13-5, 185, 6'1", 8-25-75, Miletich Martial Arts, (319) 386-6174, also see HERE
  2. David Terrell, Califiornia, USA, 5-1, 185, 6', 1-9-78, Cesar Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
  3. Matt Lindland, Oregon City, Oregon, USA, 11-3-1, 185, 6', 5-17-70, Team Quest, No Number Listed.
  4. Joseph Riggs Arizona, USA, 19-5, 185, 6', 9-23-82, Arizona Combat Sports
  5. Joe Doerksen, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, 25-6, 6', 184, Team Extreme
  6. Falaniko Vitale, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA, 18-3, 185, 5'10", 7-14-74, Grappling Unlimited, No Number Listed.
  7. David Menne, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, 34-10-2, 5'11", 185, 7-29-74, Greg Nelson (612) 560-5696 or:mmaa@bitstream.net
  8. Kazushi Sakuraba, Japan, 15-8-1, 183, 6', 7-14-68, Takada Dojo.
  9. Royce Gracie, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil, 12-2-2, 176, 6', 12-12-66, Gracie Jiu Jitsu
  10. Brian Ebersole, Charleston, Illinois, USA, 21-7, 185, 6', 11-27-80, Self, (217) 276-9502

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ISCF LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT: 185.1 lbs. - 200 lbs.
84.10 kg - 90.90
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

  • World Champion: Vacant
  • United States Champion: Kevin Cook
    • September 21st, 2002, Augusta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Steve Headden when Headden's corner threw in the towel, ending the match.

  • British Champion: Craig Wilson

    • November 18th, 2001 in North Hampton England: Defeated Shain Tovell of England by Tap Out from an armbar at 1:10 of the first round.

  • East Coast U.S. Champion: Kent "The Norseman" Hensley

    • December 9th, 2001. Atlanta, Georgia, USA: Defeated Jared Pettitt of Huntsville, Alabama by TKO when Pettitt didn't answer the bell for round 2.

  • All Other Titles: Vacant


  1. Wanderlei Silva, Curitiba, Brazil, 26-3-1, 199, 5'11", 7-3-76, Chute Boxe
  2. Frank Shamrock, Santa Monica, California, USA, 20-7-1, 195, 5'10", 12-8-72, The Alliance
  3. Andy Foster, Dalton, Georgia, USA, MMA: 10-0/10, 197, 6'2", 1-13-79, Ben Kiker, (706) 226-3318 or bfoster@alltel.net
  4. USC: Kevin Cook, Lakeland, Florida, USA, 5-3-1, 5'6", 189, 9-10-73, Ross Kellin, (863) 858-6777
  5. Alex Steibling, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA, 11-1/8, 6'1", 195, 12-26-76, Jason Godsey, 317-309-5467
  6. Jermaine André, St. Louis, Missouri, USA, 11-4, 5'7", 185, 07-22-72, Miletich Fighting Systems, (319) 386-6174. or Ron Smith, theproduc@aol.com
  7. Alexandre Ferreire, Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 9-1-1/7, 5'7", 196, 1-25-79, Russ Vale Tudo, 021 - 9754 - 9924.
  8. Rory Singer, Athens, Georgia, USA, Pro: 6-4, 6'2½ ", 198, 5-28-76, Adam Singer, (706) 546-4077 or rsinger@engr.uga.edu
  9. ECUSC: Kent Hensley, Atlanta, Georgia, USA, 9-3, 196, 6', 6-15-69, Dennis Palmer, (770) 978-0151 or valhalla@hotmail.com
  10. Tony Ross, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA, 6-3/2, 6'2", 199, Need DOB, Jason Godsey, 317-309-5467 or integratedmma@aol.com

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ISCF HEAVYWEIGHT: 200.1 lbs. - 220
90.91 kg - 100 kg
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

  • World Champion: Vacant
  • All Other Titles: Vacant
  1. Randy Couture, Corvallis, Oregon, USA, 13-6, 205, 6'1", 6-22-63, Team Quest
  2. Quinton Jackson, Memphis, Tennessee, USA, 21-4, 205, 6'1", 6-20-78, Team Oyama
  3. Chuck Liddell, San Louis Obispo, California, USA,14-3, 204, 6'2", 12-17-69, John Hackleman, (805) 481-7489
  4. Tito Ortiz, Huntington Beach, California, USA, 10-4, 205, 6'2, 1-23-75, Team Punishment.
  5. Vitor Belfort, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil, 12-4, 205, 6', 4-1-77, Team Vitor Belfort
  6. Guy Mezger, Houston, Texas, USA, 28-14-2, 200, 6'1", 1-1-68, Lions Den.
  7. Forrest Griffin, Athens, Georgia, USA, 9-2, 216, Need ALL Stats & DOB, Adam Singer, (706) 546-4077 or rsinger@engr.uga.edu
  8. Vladimir Matyushemko, El Segeundo, California, USA, via Retchica, Belarus, 13-3-, 6'1", 215, 1-4-71, Rico Chopparellig, (661) 282-1000.
  9. Thomas Sauer, Ocala, Florida, USA, 22-9/0, 6', 210, 11-11-70, Chris Hickman, (352) 687-3318.
  10. Allan Sullivan, Glendale Arizona, USA, 18-12, 5'11", 220, Need DOB & Contact Info
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ISCF SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT: 220.1 & UP
100.1 kg & UP
Rank, Name, Hometown, Record/KO's or Submissions, Height, Weight, Age, Trainer, Contact Number

  • World Champion: Vacant
  • United States Champion: Jonathan "Lock N Load" Wiezorek
    • April 12th, 2002, Atlanta, Georgia, USA: Defeated John Dixon at At 2:36 of the second round by tapout.

  • All Other Titles: Vacant


  1. Josh Barnett, Seattle, Washington, USA, 15-1, 250, 6'3", 11-10-77, New Japan Pro Wrestling / AMC Pankration
  2. Dan Severn, Coldwater, Michigan, USA, 62-11-7, 250, 6'2", 6-8-54, Contact: severndd@cbpu.com
  3. Travis Fulton, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA, 151-40-9, 221, 6', 5-29-77, Pat Miletich, (319) 386-6174.
  4. Tim Sylvia, Bettendorf, Iowa, USA, 15-1, 260, 6'8", 3-5-76, Miletich Fighting Systems, (319) 386-6174.
  5. Ken Shamrock, San Diego, California, USA, 26-9-2, 235, 6'1", 2-11-64, Lions Den
  6. Mirko Filipovic, Croatia, 12-2-2, 6'2 (188cm), 213 (97kg), 9-10-74, Cro Cop Squad Gym
  7. Ron Waterman, Greeley, Colorado, USA, 12-2-2, 6'2 (188cm), 250 (113kg), 11-23-65, Colorado Stars
  8. James Thompson, England, 6-1, 6'5 (196cm), 264 (120kg), Team Ultimate Combat
  9. Ben Rothwell, USA, 12-4, 6'5 (196cm), 265 (120kg), Freestyle Academy
  10. USC: Jonathan Wiezorek, Valdosta, Georgia, USA, 6-1, 6'2", 245, 2-10-79, James Corbett, or Valdosta Martial Arts, (229) 245.8622 or jscorbett_1@yahoo.com - More Record Info Click Here

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The ISCF claims that they showed the president of the school of the injured fighter proof of insurance and that was the only person that needed to see it. That person did say they looked at it and it looked okay. I personally would do more that look at it I would verify it. These statements were made in a room full of people but the proof was not shown to a room full of people as Cam implies. Who is the liar?

To claim to show proof to a personal friend of Brett M. and Steve F. (ISCF b. members) and claim that is proof of insurance is ridiculous, certainly a court would require more. The fighter was in the room why not show it to him? What kind of organization would make this kind of argument and call it PROOF? More frightening is how the ISCF brags that it answers to no one and is in no way obligated to show proof of anything to anyone.

Cam just show the proof and stop talking about it. I am from Missouri “SHOW ME”.
It really is that simple show or shut up you are making a fool of yourself.

Kevin “SHOW ME” Gittemeier

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"the only non promoting sanctioning body for mixed martial arts"

I keep seeing that over and over again. WOULD SOMEONE ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO PROMOTES THE IKF NORTH AMERICAN TOURNAMENT? Hasn't the ISCF been talking about putting on a national MMA tournament?

If that's true, how can the IKF say that it is a non-promoting body?

*Edited for too many caps...

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I'll show you mine if you show me yours (insurance)...he he

For my show tomorrow night in Atlanta (tickets still available at all ticketmaster locations) I got my insurance through the Laurence Cole Insurance Agency. Their ph # is 214-823-2653. Anyone that wants a copy of the binder feel free to call them or me.

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Johny Walls, This may help answer your question. It is a response from the ISCF denying a date in GA because of the IKF nationals.

“ The IKF Nationals are that weekend.............The IKF is the parent of the ISCF and they would not want to take any of the spotlight away from their most important event of the year.”
From Brett Moses
To Dave Oblas
June 23, 2003

It sounds as if they are implying that it is their show but I do not know for sure.

Cam you claim you would like to see proof of my statements and documents to back them up but when I stand in front of you with them and explain myself to you, you simply agree with me. You claim to have inside knowledge and offer to send private e-mails to help straighten people out but you plead “ref only” when pinned in a corner. You are an intellectual giant and a superstar fighter why are you not so confident and firm in your argument when in private with someone as simple as myself? You gain much courage and conviction when behind the keyboard.

To be clear I have never slandered G. productions or its promoter, I simply stated that a question arose that the ISCF was not willing to address. I just spent 65 hours on the G.P. SFO XI dvd that I will probably not make a dime on, but I did it because I love the sport and wanted to help Matt, the fighters and the fans. The DVDs are $10 get one and then tell me if that looks like it came from someone with ill intent towards G.P.

Kevin “SHOW ME” Gittemeier

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“The IKF Nationals are that weekend.............The IKF is the parent of the ISCF and they would not want to take any of the spotlight away from their most important event of the year.” From Brett Moses To Dave Oblas June 23, 2003

Wasn't that event held in Cedar Rapids, Iowa??