Brett, you were on this thread before, did you deny a date for a MMA show in Georgia because you guys were having an amateur kickboxing tournament in Cedar Rapids, Iowa?
Johnny,
what is the status of your application to ISCF for a GA event date?
"Cam just show the proof and stop talking about it. I am from Missouri “SHOW ME”. It really is that simple show or shut up you are making a fool of yourself."
You seem to have lost focus. You are accusing someone of guilt in this matter. The burden of proof lies on YOU, not the accused. If an event is sanctioned by the ISCF, then that is your proof that it was insured. You say that "The ISCF failed to police itself" and that " a claim was made by a fighter and was told there was no insurance". Where is your proof? Remember, "innocent until proven guilty", not the other way around. Now who's making a fool of themselves?
Show us the proof that the ISCF failed to police itself or drop the issue. It is nothing more than a red herring that the ISCF bashers keep harping on and clinging to. It doesn't exist. There is no issue. You say that you acknowledge that Stoltzman saw the documents. But now he's a liar and didn't do any research on the matter. So what would be your next recourse if you, yourself, were shown the documents? I am sure you would come up with some reason to dismiss them or say they were fake or anything else to perpetuate the red herring.
"Cam you claim you would like to see proof of my statements and documents to back them up but when I stand in front of you with them and explain myself to you, you simply agree with me."
What are you talking about? You keep throwing out generalizations but I fail to understand what the issue is.
"You claim to have inside knowledge and offer to send private e-mails to help straighten people out but you plead “ref only” when pinned in a corner."
What? When did I claim to "have inside knowledge"? The emails I send are simply links to internet pages that are full of public knowledge, nothing esoteric. When have I been pinned in a corner?
"To be clear I have never slandered G. productions or its promoter, I simply stated that a question arose that the ISCF was not willing to address."
Incorrect. You slandered them by bringing up the subject that previously required legal counsel to be put to rest. As far as the ISCF not addressing the subject, of course they did. As soon as the lie was propogated the ISCF petitioned Waller's documents and all was found to be in order.
Peace-
Cam
Oh, and David... I asked who was sanctioning your Muay Thai fights this weekend, not who was insuring the event.
Thanks-
Cam
Cam, based on the suggestion of fighters I'm using the usmta as the sanctioning body. I asked fighters if they wanted to use the ikf and it was an overwhelming 'no'.
BTW - you said that having an event sanctioned by the iscf was 'proof that an event had an insurance'. You're wrong. For the mma event that I did on my own I was never asked for proof of the insurance prior to the event. So I have to very quickly dispose of that theory.
Bottom line - the iscf failed to govern itself. I'm not sure the blaim falls on the promoter. I think it falls on the event rep for that event or the organization as a whole. And it's not up to us, the fans, to prove an event had insurance. It's up to the promoter to prove WHATEVER the fans, the fighters and the managers request. As a promoter it is not only my goal to make money and put on a good show; but it's my goal to make sure that everyone that is participating in my shows feels comfortable about that show and enthusiastic about appearing on my future cards.
I'm not too sure that those associated with the iscf right now are putting their organization and their shows in the best light.
ttt
On one thread DavidOblas writes:
"I could put some silly thing like TTT to get this thread put to the top. But I just found out yesterday what TTT means and I refuse to ever use it. Seems like something a 13 yr old girl would type."
Then on another he writes:
"I'll show you mine if you show me yours (insurance)...he he"
I think he has some type of bi-polar maturity disorder.
And this is my last post on this thread!!!!!!!1
Seriously guys, this is my last post on this thread!!!!!!1
ttt
Really, I'm not posting again on this thread!!!!!!1
"Johnny, what is the status of your application to ISCF for a GA event date? "
Just like any other attempt at sanctioning. I didn't want to get the "we've changed the application process" excuse since their was discussion that the process had changed. I called twice to the IKF headquarters and left messages inquiring if the application on the site was correct, or if the process had changed.This is the 3rd day and of course, no one will return my call.
I have completed my application from the ISCF website (since I am to assume it is indeed the correct one) and will be FedEx'ing it today with a Monday delivery date. I'll post the deliver confirmation here on the UG.
I am expecting to receive some type of "we've changed the application process" response and I'll have to fill something else out or wait a while for a new form to be posted, etc. etc.. I know it will be <i>something</i>.
I recorded my last voicemail to them. Should I post it?
Do the whole process.
I am not 100% sure, but I understand that the Ohio Athletic Commission was contacted by the ISCF about trying to become the sole sanctioning body allowed in OH... Why was this done???
"For the mma event that I did on my own I was never asked for proof of the insurance prior to the event."
When did you promote an MMA show on your own?
"I asked fighters if they wanted to use the ikf and it was an overwhelming 'no'."
You didn't use the IKF for several reasons but we won't get into that here.
"the iscf failed to govern itself."
Proof?
"I'm not too sure that those associated with the iscf right now are putting their organization and their shows in the best light."
No. It's simply that detractors are hanging on to red herrings and perpetuating blatant lies to put the USCF in a bad light.
Peace-
Cam
David,
If I am not mistaken you were a co-promoter with Brett Moses on the 2 MMA/Boxing events you did. Am I wrong?
Johnny, I want to take a minute and thank you for your contributions to the sport of MMA. You are an asset to the sport. Thank you
Grapple-I want to also thank you for your contributions to the sport and I hope to see you at some events in the future. I hope you are attending Winter Wars next weekend in August, it should not be too far of a drive for you.
Tripp "This is not my last post" Owings
Thanks guys! Actually, I feel that anyone who goes to an event, buys a PPV or a shirt or a DVD, is an asset to the sport. The fans have driven this sport to it's current state, and I think that as fans, fighters, managers, etc. we deserve to question any organization that seeks sole sanctioning.
As was mentioned earlier, the state of Ohio just recently started supporting MMA. Both Shooto and the ISCF have been given permission to sanction events there. However, the ISCF recently contacted the OH AC trying to become the ONLY sanctioning body in that state. Why is it not enough that both bodies were given approval? Why is the ISCF pushing the Athletic Commisions to give them sole sanctioning? You say that in GA you are open to other sanctioning bodies, yet in other states you are using the same tactics that you are now admitting may have been flawed in GA. That doesn't make sense to me....
On another note, I guess Steve Fossum is reading this thread now as I finally got a return call this evening. Unfortunately I was at work and my wife had to take the message. I'll call him back tomorrow and post how it goes.
Cam, I did an mma/boxing show as the sole promoter in August 2003 at the Tabernacle.
Dock, yes, after solely promoting the mma/boxing card in August of 2003 we partnered with Brett Moses for two boxing/mma cards.
" Cam, I did an mma/boxing show as the sole promoter in August 2003 at the Tabernacle."
Who fought on it (MMA), who reffed it (MMA) and who was your event rep (ISCF)?
If this is true then YOU WERE ALREADY APPROVED AS AN ISCF/MMA PROMOTER IN GA (according to you in Aug. of 2003) SO WHY ARE YOU SAYING YOU WERE DENIED SANCTIONING?!?!?!?!?!!?
Seems we have a contradiction of some "facts". So which is it? Are you lying about this or were you lying then?
You were told you couldn't do a show on the specified date and instead of following up on that and placing the calls to the correct people you chose to whine on a public forum that you were "denied the right to promote" but now you say that you were approved as an ISCF promoter almost 2 years ago!!!!!!!! If someone was trying to "keep you out" then why were you ever approved in the first place?!?!? So we have established the fact that there is a lie somewhere.... can't imagine a detractor of the ISCF resorting to blatant lying to "put ISCF in a bad light".....
So which one is it... were you approved as an ISCF promoter 2 years ago and in Feb were simply denied a specific date (that you refused to follow up on) or did you ever solely promote an MMA show? Which one is the truth and which one is the lie?
Or maybe it's all lies....................
Peace-
Cam
This is really starting to look more and more like an agenda...
Fishy----
You were approved to promote MMA as a sole promoter in GA 2 years ago. Then you did 2 subsequent shows as a co-promoter with Brett Moses. Your last show with Brett was in the first quarter of 2004.
All that time bills were being presented to the House and the Senate every year that were focused on the underminig of the ISCF and an overtaking of MMA in the state by the boxing commission. All this was spearheaded by the commission, Tom Mishou (commissioner), Lane Collyer (convicted felon that was denied sanctioning by the ISCF) and some of their cronies. This team was championing the cause that "ISCF was a monopoly" and that other sanctioning orgs needed to be let into the state.
These bills wanted to introduce more sanctioning orgs in the state of GA. No one, not even the ISCF, opposed this. The bill was amended to refuse the right to promote to anyone convicted of a felony. The senate approved this amendment unanimously. After this amendment the team of detractors suspiciously stopped supporting the bill. Seems it must not have been about a monopoly at all but more about wanting to let felons into the promoting game.
Now, as legislature is about to reconvene in a new session for 2005 early in the year, Oblas pops up wanting to put on a show on a date sandwiched directly between 2 previously scheduled shows. He is told the date is in conflict with the ISCF variance rule and that he needs to either request another date or seek to get his date approved through the promoters of the other shows. He doesn't do either of these and chooses to instead go on a public internet forum and cry that he has been denied the right to promote MMA in the state of GA (which he now claims he was approved for in Aug. of 2003). He claims that his sole intention was to further the sport in the state of GA and he wants to put on shows to show this support to the fighters and the fans.
My questions.....
Where was he for the last 9 months of 2004? Why was he not busting his ass to try to put on an MMA show if he is so "gung-ho" about supporting the sport and its fighters and fans?
Why did he not call the other promoters and try to get his date approved?
Why did he choose to handle the situation like he did?
Why does he lie and say he was denied the right to promote when he himself claims he was already approved in 2003?
Why did this pop up right now as a new bill is about to be introduced and legislature is about to reconvene?
Am I the only one that smells the rat here?
Peace-
Cam
Well,
one promoter was openly calling Tom Mishue (GA AC) and Oblas names on the ISCF forum. That doesn't set the stage for good faith negotiations or cooperation at all.
Oblas contends he asked for several dates and even resorted to asking the ISCF for a date. He can prove that (meaning he can post proof if he wants to and has it), but that is what he is contending.
"Why does he lie and say he was denied the right
to promote when he himself claim he was already approved in 2003?"
Language miscommunication/screw up. Oblas seems to have a problem with not being able to get a date, therefore not being able to promote.
"Why did this pop up right now as a new bill is about to be introduced and legislature is about to reconvene?"
This would not even be an issue if he had been allowed to go ahead with a show. This has nothing to do with it at all, unless the ISCF sanctioning process was flawed and the ISCF was worried that the GA legislature would take away their monopoly.
If the ISCF is not concerned about other orgs being allowed into the state, why is everyone so upset about a bill in the legislature to allow other orgs under the GA AC? AND WHY, IF THE ISCF DOESN'T MIND OTHER ORGS, DID THEY CONTACT OH AND TRY TO OUST SHOOTO??!!??!