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Cam, I have MANY documented emails from 2003 denying me dates upon dates. When I finally was approved I have many emails that were making it very difficult for the show to go on. I'm now going through those same issues again.

Now that me and Moses split I'm trying to do another show. We both know I'm hitting stumbling blocks (the same stumbling blocks as in 2003). Enough is enough. Yes, I've been approved as an iscf promoter; but I'll never be allowed to promote a show.

Kind of like what I said in an earlier post about having a girlfriend but she won't ever let you touch her. Do you understand it yet?

I'm not going to continue applying for a show and wasting my time sending in new applications each week. It's simply gone too far. The groundwork has been laid by the iscf that I will continue to be denied while people representing the iscf continue to get on this board and say I don't know how to follow instructions.

Just yesterday i heard from the athletic commission that Brett Moses and Steve Fossum were calling members of the Athletic Commission to have my muay thai aspect of the show shut down saying I was not sanctioned. I was sanctioned by the usmta. A couple of phone calls by them could have found this out rather than calling to have my show pulled. Just another example of high ranking members of the iscf doing anything and everything they can to shut down perceived competition.

Cam, I have a bad feeling that someone in the iscf that makes decisions hasn't kept you in the loop on everything. It's looking like you're posting on here while the other iscf members have been staying obviously far away. I have a really bad feeling they're having you post as their fall guy since you're not an official iscf rep.

I hung out with you for a couple hours a few weeks ago and enjoyed it. I'd have no problem meeting you for coffee or dinner next week to show you ALL the emails I have and all the documented letters so you can formulate a better opinion after seeing the facts. I just hope you're not basing all your info from them.

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“So what would be your next recourse if you, yourself, were shown the documents?” Proof of insurance.

I would call and verify it, why wasn’t it shown to me?

“You slandered them by bringing up the subject that previously required legal counsel to be put to rest. “

Why all the legal effort just show the documents, its cheaper, faster, and everyone would be satisfied unlike the current situation. If the AC were overseeing sanc. orgs anyone would have the right see and verify the documents. That is very appealing to me as a fighter.

Yes Cam, David was approved for Boxing/MMA 8-2003 with many obstacles and threats.
No Cam, David is not approved for Boxing/MMA now, he was DENIED the right to do both. You know this and we have talked about it in person. His date was denied for an MMA only show for an unwritten (on website) undocumented rule that no ISCF member follows. It is hard to follow the rules when they are constantly changing and aren’t written or available. The rules are like a virus!!!!!

If you don’t know by know I will tell you. David partnered with Brett because it was made clear that he would not do another MMA show. Brett had the benefit of a promoter that was good at advertising and promoting. Those were the two most successful shows either did.

Cam why was it that David was charged more than double the stated (on website) ref fees and was threatened that you were the best and if he used anyone else the show would be stopped?
Why is it that you often don’t charge b. members and can request any amount from a promoter?
That is troubling when the ISCF demands you be used. You already know I have all the documents to confirm these statement so don’t post some b.s. “I would like to see that” statement.

Cam there is know doubt you love the sport of MMA and would do a lot help and support it, but you are not the only one and that is no excuse to support the ISCF’s efforts to monopolize all over the country and continually lie just for what you deem the greater good.

Bottom Line a monopoly is not good for anyone except the one controlling the monopoly.
Of course the ISCF wants a monopoly, with it comes a great deal of control and power. For you to try to convince the fighters and the fans to support it is absolutely insane. Are you insane? As I told Brett and Steve “wouldn’t it be great if I were king, yes great for me”. I understand why they want the power and they understand why I don’t want that. What do you understand Cam?

Kevin “SHOW ME SO I WILL SHUT UP” Gittemeier

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"Why is it that you often don’t charge b. members and can request any amount from a promoter?"

I have never "not charged" to ref, for board members or non board members.

"You already know I have all the documents to confirm these statement"

I want to see a document that confirms that "I often do not charge board members to ref." It doesn't exist. I have never reffed for free. I also have never negotiated my pay. I leave that to my manager. He handles all that, I simply show up and ref. Afterwards my manager passes the check on to me.

"and continually lie just for what you deem the greater good."

What have I lied about? Be ready to back that up. You say you have a document that proves I often do not charge board members to ref. That, my friend, is a lie. You do not have a document that says that because it does not exist. So now what is the angle you are trying to achieve by attacking my character?

Peace-
Cam

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I am a man of my word.

After further discussions, I am now satisfied that the ISCF had insurance coverage for its show. I also believe the ISCF should fully disclose all proof. It is entirely within the ISCF's power to end all discussion on the matter. I do not think any person posting on this board acted with malice toward the ISCF (which is a governmental body in GA)in questioning the matter. Questions should always arise when a regulating body creates a perception of wrong doing (whether intended or not). Again, it is fully within the power of the ISCF to end the discussion.

I am still concerned about allegations of seeking sole sanctioning authority, on the grounds I believe it is bad public policy. I am also concerned about sanctioning of other promoters in GA, although the new, proposed sanctioning rules appear to be constructed in a way to fix the problems, perceived or real, that have been encountered.

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Cam,
I can place in your possession documents stating Oblas was charged $400 for ref fees when he did MMA/Boxing solely and $200 on two separate occasions when he partnered with Moses.
The website states a $200 ref fee. I do not have a document stating that you waive fees for friends but you did make that statement at a GA town hall meeting when asked what your fees were and why the inconsistency. So were you lying at the meeting or are you lying now when you state “ I have never reffed for free.”?

I don’t think it is fair that the ISCF can demand you be used or threaten to stop the show, but you can charge any amount you like with no max or cap. As we discussed in the T. H. Meeting, that in itself is yet another way that a promoter could be blocked. A lot of potential conflict here. Why is the ISCF so adamant that you be used “because you are the best” when Moses often uses celebrity refs, sometimes for the main event? The main event should have the best ref, if you are best you should certainly do all the main events.

I am really surprised that after all that has been acknowledged here you still claim it is a simply case of promoters not being able to follow instructions. I have a hard time believing that you yourself believe that at this point. You want to defend and support the ISCF and that is ok. I don’t think anyone wants them to go away and I would fully support getting them in any other state as long as it is not as the sole sanctioning body. At this point it is perfectly clear that their goal is a monopoly. I request that you ask Steve Fossum if that is his goal. Im sure he will tell you the truth, he admitted it to me, why would he not admit it to you. Do you already know? Are you afraid to ask? Please do ask! You can call me a liar, you can call every one that speaks something you don’t agree with a liar. That is your right and the pattern of the ISCF, BUT are we all really liars!!!!! Are you trying to convince people that is what is happening here?

Cam, Why would I be anti-ISCF or an ISCF hater as you state? If you don’t answer any other question please answer that. I publicly brought up these flaws you now admit were wrong and the ISCF is now changing, and the ISCF will be better for it, I offered any support necessary to help and correct their problems. So why am I “ a greedy assed fighter” and “anti-ISCF”? I have spoken to Steve and Brett for countless hours on the phone but never you. You keep claiming you will call me but you never do. You just keep b-a-n-g-i-n-g away at the keyboard, are your fingers getting strong? I bet you could crush a glass bottle with that grip.

Johny Walls,
After reading your accomplishments and efforts towards the betterment of the MMA community across this country and the world, I would like to thank you. You certainly seem to have been a large factor in the survival of MMA in not just one state but the whole world. The internet and apparently many of your efforts are what kept MMA alive during the cable blockade.

By the logic presented by the ISCF monopoly supporters I think it is absolutely clear that you are the one deserving of the monopoly and not the ISCF, and I don’t mean a state wide monopoly I mean world wide. You definitely earned it and are much more deserving. Where were they back then.

Just kidding but seriously thank you and I would love to see you do a show here.

Kevin “SHOW ME, THE COVER UP IS WORSE THAN THE ALLEGATION” Gittemeier

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" Cam, I can place in your possession documents stating Oblas was charged $400 for ref fees when he did MMA/Boxing solely"

I don't recall ever reffing for Oblas when he did a show by himself.

"and $200 on two separate occasions when he partnered with Moses."

I have never reffed for Brett for under $300. Period. If you have documents saying otherwise they are false.

"The website states a $200 ref fee."

I could care less what the website says. I work as a free agent.

"I do not have a document stating that you waive fees for friends"

Of course you don't. It's never happened.

"but you did make that statement at a GA town hall meeting when asked what your fees were and why the inconsistency."

No I didn't.

"So were you lying at the meeting or are you lying now when you state “ I have never reffed for free.”?"

I never stated I had reffed for free and I am not stating it now, because I never have.

"I don’t think it is fair that the ISCF can demand you be used or threaten to stop the show, but you can charge any amount you like with no max or cap."

How many times do I have to say this before you get it through your head? I don't "charge" a thing. Promoters make offers and my manager negotiates. I never have anything to do with it and mostly my manager has nothing to do with negotiating. Promoters give me what they think I am worth.

"Why is the ISCF so adamant that you be used “because you are the best”"

I have no idea and I wasn't aware that they did that other than what was stated in that meeting. I am not aware of any other occasions of that happening. Maybe you should ask the ones responsible...

"Moses often uses celebrity refs, sometimes for the main event?"

LOL..."often"? One time out of fifteen shows doesn't qualify as "often".

"if you are best you should certainly do all the main events."

I agree. :) But that one time wasn't my call.

"Steve Fossum if that is his goal. Im sure he will tell you the truth, he admitted it to me,"

So you are telling me that Fossum looked you in the eye, face to face, and stated that his goal was to get a monopoly on sanctioning all of MMA in all 50 states?

"Cam, Why would I be anti-ISCF or an ISCF hater as you state?"

You know, that's what I keep asking myself over and over... what is your personal vendetta against the ISCF? It is apparent that there is one. My problem has never been that there are other people FOR other sanctioning orgs or a change in policy, my problem is that so many people are so much anti ISCF and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Remember in the meeting when we came to the conclusion what the problem was within the ISCF and then I asked you if the ISCF solved that problem why you would still be anti ISCF and you stated, "Because I just don't trust them".
I am not opposed to (nor have I ever been) other sanctioning orgs in the state and I have no problem with people championing that cause but they do not have to attack the ISCF in order to achieve that. It seems like blatatnt political mudslinging. Instead of trying to tear down the ISCF and fabricate a controversy surrounding the org to make it look bad, why not put all that effort into simply lobbying to get other sanctioning orgs into the state?

" I offered any support necessary to help and correct their problems."

No you didn't. You stated plainly that even if they fixed their problems that you were still anti ISCF because you "did not trust them".

"So why am I “ a greedy assed fighter” and “anti-ISCF”?"

You tell me....

"You keep claiming you will call me but you never do."

I told you on ONE occasion that I was going to call you but I was not available at the time you specified. Don't take it personally... I don't like to talk on the phone and I seldom call anyone...

"You just keep b-a-n-g-i-n-g away at the keyboard, are your fingers getting strong? I bet you could crush a glass bottle with that grip."

Your posts in this thread are larger than mine....

Peace-
Cam

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“Remember in the meeting when we came to the conclusion what the problem was within the ISCF and then I asked you if the ISCF solved that problem why you would still be anti ISCF and you stated, "Because I just don't trust them".

An important correction, You and Fossum asked “if the ISCF fixed their problems would I still want other sanctioning orgs in GA” My response was yes. I will be pleased with and fully support the ISCF if it does indeed fix its problems but I will not support a monopoly. You seemed to not understand that at the meeting as upon hearing my response you asked it several more times with a sense of confusion and frustration. You have done nothing but misrepresent facts time and time again Cam.

“So you are telling me that Fossum looked you in the eye, face to face, and stated that his goal was to get a monopoly on sanctioning all of MMA in all 50 states?”

No, I am telling you Fossum stated to me (once on the phone once face to face) that his goal was to maintain the monopoly in GA and in no way would support any other sanc. org. in GA and would oppose it. Cam I am not sure if he was looking in my eyes though, I think rather looking at my pen and paper thinking......what is he doing.....taking notes I wish we thought of that. Does that small nuance make my statement any less true though?

Kevin “SHOW ME ” Gittemeier

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"I don't recall ever reffing for Oblas when he did a show by himself."

Cam, you were my ref at the Tabernacle when I did a show back on Aug. 22, 2003. This was when I brought in Pat Militech and Marcus Davis and he fought Shawn Gay in the main event of a boxing/mma card. You even have posted many times how you thought the crowd was 'hostile' toward mma at the event and it 'wasn't a very good crowd' in your opinion because of the split of mma and boxing fans.

"I never stated I had reffed for free and I am not stating it now, because I never have."

Cam, you either told us in the meeting or you told me and Gittemeier after the meeting that you gave someone their check back because you didn't think he/she did well money-wise becuase of the crowd. That kind of results in reffing for free.

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"Cam, you were my ref at the Tabernacle when I did a show back on Aug. 22, 2003."

Sorry. I had assumed that was co-promoted with Brett Moses. And I may be mistaken, but I don't think I got payed $400 for that show, either... I can only recall being paid $400 once and I think that was for the Civic Center show.

"Cam, you either told us in the meeting or you told me and Gittemeier after the meeting that you gave someone their check back because you didn't think he/she did well money-wise becuase of the crowd. That kind of results in reffing for free."

I explained this incident to you in detail. I was paid with a check. The check was forgotten about and remained in my wallet for about 3 or 4 months. Since many times accounts are opened specifically for certain events or promotions I feared maybe that the account had been closed or there may no longer be specific funds in the account to cover the check. I approached the promoter at a differnt promoter's event and told them of the dilemma. They took the check back BUT PAYED ME CASH ON THE SPOT. Yes, I did return a check to a promoter. No, I did not ref for free.

"An important correction, You and Fossum asked “if the ISCF fixed their problems would I still want other sanctioning orgs in GA” My response was yes. I will be pleased with and fully support the ISCF if it does indeed fix its problems but I will not support a monopoly."

Try to backpedal all you want, you stated plain as day that "you did not trust them". How can you "support" an organization that you do not trust?

Peace-
Cam

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Interesting take on the ref fees situation sounds like backpedaling.

Cam do you support the ISCF having a monopoly?

Cam do you believe the ISCF wishes to maintain a monopoly?

Cam would you have a different stance if you found that ISCF was trying to maintain (in GA) and create (in other states) a monopoly?

If asking these tough questions makes me ant-ISCF in your eyes that is unfortunate, but the questions must be asked there is too much at stake.

Kevin “SHOW ME” Gittemeier

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" Interesting take on the ref fees situation sounds like backpedaling."

LOL... What am I "backpedalling" on? It's actually my personal business so I am not obligated to discuss it with you. I have all my financial records and I know what I have been paid and not been paid, but I haven't brought your job and personal business into this so I would appreciate the same courtesy.

"Cam do you support the ISCF having a monopoly?"

I couldn't care less. A monopoly does not concern me at all as long as fairness is upheld (which in the case of approval it has not been, but like has been stated, that is being amended) and the standards of safety and efficiency are met.

"Cam do you believe the ISCF wishes to maintain a monopoly?"

I couldn't care less. A monopoly does not concern me at all as long as fairness is upheld (which in the case of approval it has not been, but like has been stated, that is being amended) and the standards of safety and efficiency are met.

"Cam would you have a different stance if you found that ISCF was trying to maintain (in GA) and create (in other states) a monopoly?"

I couldn't care less. A monopoly does not concern me at all as long as fairness is upheld (which in the case of approval it has not been, but like has been stated, that is being amended) and the standards of safety and efficiency are met.

"If asking these tough questions makes me ant-ISCF in your eyes that is unfortunate, but the questions must be asked there is too much at stake."

The questions aren't tough at all. In fact, they are so simple they all 3 had the same exact answer. Also, asking these question do not make you "anti ISCF". It was your statement that "even if the ISCF amends the problem areas they have then I will still not trust them" that makes you "anti ISCF".

Again, and I am starting to wonder how many times I have to say this before it sinks in... I am not for or against an ISCF monopoly... I couldn't care less. I am not for or against other sanctioning orgs in the state of GA... again, I couldn't care less. What concerns me is having people in control of the sport that are knowledgable about the sport, having team members that work efficiently together and for the betterment, integrity and legitimacy of the sport. I am concerned that fairness is upheld in all protocol policy (again, which I agree there was a shortsightedness concerning ISCF approval policy, BUT THAT IS BEING AMENDED). I am concerned that people who are not knowledgable about the sport may be put in charge and that people of questionable character may be allowed to participate in positions of importance.

The ISCF and their team members have proven to me that they are knowledgable about the sport and that they have the best intentions of the sport in mind. Yes, thers was the approval quirk, BUT THAT IS BEING AMENDED so I couldn't care less if the ISCF retains a monopoly, if other sanctioning orgs are allowed in, what have you, as long as standards of safety and efficiency and fairness of protocol are upheld.

Because of the ISCF's track record I find it very difficult to hold one aspect of protocol against them, ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT ASPECT OF PROTOCOL IS BEING AMENDED. I refuse to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Unlike some detractors, I still trust the ISCF.

Your whole crusade has not been built around being "pro-other sanctioning orgs"... It has been built around "anti ISCF sentiment".

If the bill that has been introduced passes you will see the death of this sport in this state, just like it has died in FL. There were 6 or 7 promoters putting on maybe 20 shows a year in FL 5 years ago. Now there is the AFC and it has wealthy financial backers that keep it going. They moved from 6 or 7 promoters down to 1 and from 20 shows a year down to maybe 4 or 5. Less shows in GA will mean schools closing and literally the death of the MMA scene in GA. Remember when it's all said and done that you helped fight for it.

Peace-
Cam

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Cam, do you think boxing and mma should take place on the same fight card? Why or why not? Should fighters have to suffer and the fans have to suffer because the iscf does not like the athletic commission and thus won't let people see a combo of boxing and mma?

Especially when this has already taken place in Atlanta three times and it was by far the biggest crowds to ever witness mma in Atlanta.

Basically, if you have a willing promoter, such as myself, to promote mma 4-6 times per year shouldn't I be approved? Especially since I've promoted 15 shows in 2.5 yrs including boxing, mma, kickboxing and muay thai.

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Kevin and David, you have your right to your opinions, but the outright lies are disturbing to say the least.

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Brett - Did you deny a show in GA due to a show in Iowa?

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“ The IKF Nationals are that weekend.............The IKF is the parent of the ISCF and they would not want to take any of the spotlight away from their most important event of the year.” From Brett Moses To Dave Oblas June 23, 2003

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Johnny.

Today is Monday, February 21st, 2005.

As of today I have not received any e-mail response from you from the e-mail I sent to you on Friday, February 18th, 2005. When you reply, I will continue our discussion via e-mail because it is clear from all your posts on the underground forum that you have choose to lie about many things. E-mails do not lie, and this way we will both have a TRUTHFUL record of our discussions.

I understand that you returned my call on Saturday, February 19th, 2005.

From here forward, please make sure to keep better notes on ANY messages I leave for you whether by e-mail or by phone because it is VERY clear here that the message I left for you on Friday was not given to you in proper form.

As I informed your wife when I called on Friday, February 18th, 2005, I explained to her that I would not be back in until Monday or Tuesday of this week so why you were asking for a return call back on Saturday, February 19th is a mystery to me. I have been out since Friday due to having the flu and shouldn't even be here today because I'm still sick.

In addition, and more importantly, I suggest that when I give someone a phone number to call me back on, I would only expect that person to follow those directions and call me back "On the phone number I gave to them to do so on."

In your message you left on our recorder you stated that "I" left you the number, 916-663-XXXX and that you had tried to call it and there was never any answer.

Johnny, I NEVER DID ANY SUCH THING.

The number I gave to your wife was our regular IKF/ISCF OFFICE number (916) 663-XXXX. THIS was the phone number you were asked to call me back on. However she instead obviously wrote down the number I called from which probably showed on your caller ID. This number is my direct office line which is NOT hooked up to any answering machine or recorder. This explains why you never got any answer or were never greeted with any answering machine.

In closing,  we did not receive any FedEx from you today either as you assured everyone reading your "Attack ISCF Agenda" posts on the underground forum.

However, I will say again, as I have already stated in my previous e-mail I sent to you on Friday, February 18th, 2005:

"If you are "ONLY" applying for ISCF Sanctioning just for the purpose of trying to throw us into a corner on some unknown issue and then turn around and "Dog Us" on a public message board as you already have, I would like to respectfully suggest that you respectfully withdraw your application for ISCF Sanctioning.

This is because we "ONLY" deal with promoters who are looking to progress MMA in a positive way. NOT promoters who are seeking any way they can to find any fault they can with the ISCF or as shown above, create false accusations, so they can slander us on a public message board to those "FEW" willing to believe such accusations."

Again, I "STILL" await your reply by e-mail.

Sincerely
Steve Fossum
IKF & ISCF World President
sf@ikfkickboxing.com
(916) 663-2467 Fax: (916) 663-4510

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Then I receive this from Brett Moses:
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Johnny probably has to find Jamie so he can tell him what buttons to push next!

 -----Original Message-----
From: main@ikfkickboxing.com [mailto:main@ikfkickboxing.com]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:58 PM
To: info@aggressiontv.com; RealityHosting.com; Johnny Walls - Reality Hosting
Cc: 1 Matthew Waller; 1 Brett Moses
Subject: RE: Johnny Walls

 

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MY RESPONSE:


Brett Moses, DO NOT PERSONALLY INSULT ME! I have never personally insulted you. I will make sure your personal attacks get notated in my newspaper article and to the legislature.

Be more adult and professional! You need to straighten up and act like adults that are running a sanctioning body.

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"I will continue our discussion via e-mail because it is clear from all your posts on the underground forum that you have choose to lie about many things."

OK, where are the lies? Point them out to me! I HAVE NOT LIED! The word LIE is serious and should always be followed up with the exact LIES you are talking about. C'mon, let's see them. Cut and paste the supposed 'lies'.

 

"As I informed your wife when I called on Friday, February 18th, 2005, I explained to her that I would not be back in until Monday or Tuesday of this week so why you were asking for a return call back on Saturday, February 19th is a mystery to me. I have been out since Friday due to having the flu and shouldn't even be here today because I'm still sick."

Well, believe it or not, I hate to hear that and hope you are feeling better soon.

"As I informed your wife when I called"

Glad you brought that up - our conversations are between YOU AND ME! Not her. I though that you calling and telling her "He's telling people on the Internet I don’t call him back", blah blah being all puffy with her was uncalled for. You leave your number with her and that is it. Do not discuss our issues with her.

"In addition, and more importantly, I suggest that when I give someone a phone number to call me back on, I would only expect that person to follow those directions and call me back "On the phone number I gave to them to do so on." In your message you left on our recorder you stated that "I" left you the number, 916-663-0364 and that you had tried to call it and there was never any answer.

Johnny, I NEVER DID ANY SUCH THING."

I called all numbers I had for you. You have given me additional numbers in the past. Not on the voicemail but in previous emails when you still 'liked me'. Seeing as how the Underground posts were degrading yes I did indeed try all numbers I had for you. I felt that it would be better to talk as soon as possible. Yes, there was no answer. I'm not sure why you are so worked up over that. My attempt to reach you at several numbers was a courtesy due to the fact that it was getting ugly on the Underground. I have Voice Over IP phone service. All calls to and from my number are recorded. If you need proof of any calls I can easily provide that.

" In closing, we did not receive any FedEx from you today either as you assured everyone reading your "Attack ISCF Agenda" posts on the underground forum."

Again, as a courtesy to you, I tried to speak with you directly at first before submitting the application. I was told that 'things had changed' and that I may need to submit it differently. You attempted to call me back. We did not reach each other. I notated that on the forum. The application is sitting right here on my desk waiting for our phone conversation.

""If you are "ONLY" applying for ISCF Sanctioning just for the purpose of trying to throw us into a corner on some unknown issue and then turn around and "Dog Us" on a public message board as you already have, I would like to respectfully suggest that you respectfully withdraw your application for ISCF Sanctioning.

This is because we "ONLY" deal with promoters who are looking to progress MMA in a positive way. NOT promoters who are seeking any way they can to find any fault they can with the ISCF or as shown above, create false accusations, so they can slander us on a public message board to those "FEW" willing to believe such accusations."

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AGAIN LET'S SEE THE SLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess saying that "they are good people" "they care about the athletes" "they have well run events" is slander? Those are things I said about the IKF/ISCF Steve. Slander is a legal term. ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BREAKING THE LAW? Again, cut and paste my slander Steve. I have never slandered you. I expressed my opinion as one of the people who HAS HELPED BRING MMA TO THIS LEVEL, that I don't like the monopoly situation you guys have in GA. I AM ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THAT OPINION! You guys say you are open to other sanctioning bodies, so then how can my statement be so bad???

"I would like to respectfully suggest that you respectfully withdraw your application for ISCF Sanctioning.

This is because we "ONLY" deal with promoters who are looking to progress MMA in a positive way"

This is another way you guys deny people. This will certainly be brought up in the newspaper article, to the legislature, to the GA AC and to the other states you are looking for sole sanctioning in. To say that I am not positive for MMA is bull. READ WHAT YOU WROTE ABOUT ME STEVE! You and I both know I am a huge attribute to this sport. I have your emails saying how much you appreciate me and how good I am for the sport. I guess you will need to think up another excuse to deny me. BECAUSE THAT ONE WON'T WORK!

The application is being FedEx'd today. I look forward to seeing a denial from you stating that "I am bad for the sport." It's interesting how you want me to 'withdraw it' so that I won’t have the 'denial' from you. Another way the IKF handles thing. This is the exact scenario I am speaking about on the UG. It can't be slander, because it's true! It's happening again! I wanted to speak with you first before submitting. Again, this was out of respect to you.

It shouldn't take much time at all for you to cut and paste my lies. I look forward to receiving your email back with those supposedly slanderous comments included very soon.

In closing, I want to add that I have never personally attacked any of you guys. I have expressed my positive experiences and posted great comments on your organization. I have expressed my concern over sole sanctioning power TO ANY ORGANIZATION - INCLUDING THE ISCF. It is not right IMHO, leaves too many doors open for prejudice, and just basically looks wrong. In no way does that slander you.

Also, please send all replies to JW@RealityHosting.com as that is my new email address.

Thanks,
Johnny
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