Pre-Gracies getting ahold of it and tweaking it. Very cool!
^ Tenjin Shin-yo Ryu (jujutsu) --One of the main ingredients of Kodokan Judo.
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Hey Shen, too bad Danzan-Ryu is not taught the old school way anymore.
Old school dzr was COOL!
Met and got to talk with wally jay for a bit when he visited Relsons. I think most of the peole didnt know who he was.
Sgt. Slaphead - Old school dzr was COOL!
Met and got to talk with wally jay for a bit when he visited Relsons. I think most of the peole didnt know who he was.
Yup, met the master once. Really down to Earth and truly eager to teach to anyone who wanted to learn. Did a joint seminar with him and others years ago. Always stuck in my mind how someone so deadly was really mellow.
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Robobear -Hey Shen, too bad Danzan-Ryu is not taught the old school way anymore.
Well, it was a great system, but it got "divorced" from Judo, and as a result is now an interesting shell of an art. At one point, Kano tried to absorb Kodenkan Danzan Ryu into Kodokan judo, but Okazaki declined.He wanted to keep his own curriculum. Back then, they didn't really distingush Danzan Ryu from Judo in the U.S.; The early guys all did Judo style randori (Okazaki was big on competition). Present day DZR practitioners shun competition --unless it's a "ju jitsu kata" competition.
In short, it became sort of "Hippie-ified" over the years especially in California which was and is it's biggest stronghold. The AJJF really changed the culture of the art from how it was practiced in Hawaii. They made it more like Aikido and emphasised the co-operative aspect made it non-threatening and easygoing. This made the practioners a little bit out of touch with combative reality; they have little idea what it's like to apply jujitsu on a resisting opponent because they have never done so.
These days you have PROFESSORS(6th degree BBs and up) who have never done any randori. They say, " if you want to do randori, take judo", but few do. Many actually look down on Judo a little and think of it as all muscle, while THEY in Danzan Ryu use the pure technique [geeze, where have I heard THAT before...?]
But it didn't used to be that way... When I was a kid, I recall DZR held it's own "Judo Tournaments". They weren't high level, but people were out there, doing it. I think the drift away from "alive" training actually started in large part because of insurance liability -- the vast majority of DZR was and is taught in rec centers and YMCAs. They decided it was safer & easier to just concentrate on kata style training.
--So THAT'S the deal these days. You can learn a lot in DZR --there is good knowledge in the system-- but it's weak on application. Still, some of the old school guys I met were impressive.
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1 of 3, 8;10 The leg stomp to groin stretch. I am going to perfect that. There are some DOPE techniques in here!
Cool videos, thanks for sharing!
Jack Taufer - 1 of 3, 8;10 The leg stomp to groin stretch. I am going to perfect that. There are some DOPE techniques in here!
They call that technique "Komi Iri" (8th technique on the Oku list).
It's hard to see on the tape, but it is actually a "knee lock". The groin strech is just to immobilize uke so you can apply pressure with the radial side of your (R) wrist just superior to his (L) patella, applying sort of a "scooping motion" --in and up-- as your (R) shoulder leans into his calf. --Quite painfull, sort of like an "icky" feeling kneebar.
sub for later....thanks.
Cool Video!
shen -Thank you Shen!Jack Taufer - 1 of 3, 8;10 The leg stomp to groin stretch. I am going to perfect that. There are some DOPE techniques in here!
They call that technique "Komi Iri" (8th technique on the Oku list).
It's hard to see on the tape, but it is actually a "knee lock". The groin strech is just to immobilize uke so you can apply pressure with the radial side of your (R) wrist just superior to his (L) patella, applying sort of a "scooping motion" --in and up-- as your (R) shoulder leans into his calf. --Quite painfull, sort of like an "icky" feeling kneebar.
Have I ever met you with Johnny?
I'm going to tach several of those techniques 100 times. I hope to get more of your insight.
Jack Taufer - 1 of 3, 8;10 The leg stomp to groin stretch. I am going to perfect that. There are some DOPE techniques in here!I am going to WATCH* several of this techniques***....
Jack Taufer -shen -Thank you Shen!Jack Taufer - 1 of 3, 8;10 The leg stomp to groin stretch. I am going to perfect that. There are some DOPE techniques in here!
They call that technique "Komi Iri" (8th technique on the Oku list).
It's hard to see on the tape, but it is actually a "knee lock". The groin strech is just to immobilize uke so you can apply pressure with the radial side of your (R) wrist just superior to his (L) patella, applying sort of a "scooping motion" --in and up-- as your (R) shoulder leans into his calf. --Quite painfull, sort of like an "icky" feeling kneebar.
Have I ever met you with Johnny?
I'm going to tach several of those techniques 100 times. I hope to get more of your insight.
No, I don't think I've had the pleasure.
You know actually... the BEST person to do techniques like this really is an experienced BJJ person, just because they inherently understand so much about resistence and what's realistic in a grappling context. Paradoxically, I would have a lot more faith in a BJJ person who learns these techniques than a person who has only done Danzan, even if they have done the techniques much longer.
I don't practice the art anymore, but sometimes get an urge to,mostly to work the throws. There are several teachers of the art I have met who --if they were near me-- I WOULD study with. But most of them don't really inspire that desire in me.
Take Care!
Robobear -Sgt. Slaphead - Old school dzr was COOL!
Met and got to talk with wally jay for a bit when he visited Relsons. I think most of the peole didnt know who he was.
Yup, met the master once. Really down to Earth and truly eager to teach to anyone who wanted to learn. Did a joint seminar with him and others years ago. Always stuck in my mind how someone so deadly was really mellow.
Yeah, he was a TRUE martial artist in the very best sense of the word; skilled, calm, humble, giving, interested. No ego, just a really nice, good person. There are a lot of BJJ Professors who could benefit from his example.