Except Serra once slept GSP. Heâs not exactly Ben Askren.
I was completely unaware of any of his other issues he had. Wasnât until I read one of the other threads that I found out this wasnât a one time occurence. I was speaking more about how he has handled himself during post fight interviews.
Hope there is more evidence that supports Joeâs reaction. Hope the little fella is okay and during his nap got to dream about the new Camaro he will be getting from his settlement.
Iâm not a lawyer either but common sense says there is a case here. Too think otherwise is foolish. At the very least a civil case. Numerous court cases have already determined that posturing without the use of a deadly weapon is not grounds to defend yourself. In other words, assault. So yeah call it what ever you want, flinching, a feint, posturing, etc. None of those are a reason to assault someone. In most states the moment you have an oppurtunity to walk away and choose instead to engage or re-engage. Itâs no lo longer self defense. A push or a shove or dirty look are legal reason for a person to throw down.
Letâs play devilâs advocate here;
What if Joe knocked the dude out and he smacked his head off the floor so bad he dies from a brain injury. You still think that is self defense? Or did he just murder someone? I know plenty of bouncers and even body guards who have caught a case from the very exact thing. It doesnât help he has priors dealing with the same issues. Not to mention he is at a bar, which never helps your case. Make an example out of him and throw the book.
Are NOT reasons
Hahaha thatâs hilarious that dude thought he was hard shit
War Smoking Joe
Wtf is this flinching/flexing people are talking about. Joe threw punches almost at the exact same time as drunk guyâs âflexingâ. It would actually look more like self defense if drunk guy swung at Joe. Joe was clearly the aggressor
Iâm in agreement with this. We have no reason to believe he did anything wrong prior to the little push from Joe.
Staff siding with Joe could mean anything.
i didnt see any flexing No way he wanted to fight Joe
Involuntary manslaughter at best.
The guy seemed to be a douchey guy. Likely an anti-social douchey guy.
But as a pro fighter, you would think Joe walks around with the knowledge he can KO most guys, and wouldnât want use that ability unless necessary.
People can die from hitting their head on the ground, and so on.
Was it necessary here? Before yelling at the guy? Before a shove? Before taking him down? Before asking him to the parking lot? Was the douchey guy really a threat? Probably not.
Like someone in the thread earlier said, Joe probably just wanted to KO him - because the guy was annoying him, and was a being a bit aggressive too.
I think Joes mistake was initiating contact. Generally guys like this will try and shove you as part of their tough guy act. If Joe had have waited for that he would be golden, but he whooped him without the drunk guy having touched him at all, itâll be hard to claim self defence because of that.
Having said that, weâve all seen these fake tough guy drunk idiots mouthing off and wrecking other peoples nights, this one got a swift dose of reality.
Fair enough.
He was still in dumb-happy clown around mode thinking he could make Joe flinch and then make everyone laugh and back off. Ended bad for him.
This is how I feel, only having the context we have.
Iâm a pretty strong proponent of the idea that if you talk shit, you get hit. But, I also think that Shilling could have killed that guy. Pro fighters donât have an obligation to be monks, but they do need to be cognizant of what they are capable of. Ryan Hall and Matt Serra have both shown that there are alternative ways of handling a situation like this while still teaching a guy a lesson. Joe isnât a grappler, but a front kick to the stomach would have humiliated the guy.
Yeah, this is how I feel.
Perfectly fine to teach the guy a lesson. But you can do it in less deadly ways. That City Kickboxing fighter just fucking died by getting hit in the back of the head. Falling helplessly on the ground can do the same thing.
Oh you mad because Iâm flexing on you? Plus the cal is on you.
Joe is a piece of shit and it appears that half of this thread are as well.
TKnuckles is that you as well?