I had to learn and perform the nage no kata to get my judo black belt. I’m pretty sure I had to do the geisha bow you described. I knew it felt a bit strange and now I finally know why.
No doubt --And I’ve seen picture of the BJJ “Grand masters” with their belts tied on the “wrong” side --which is fine, BUT it’s just something you would NEVER see in a legit Japanese Martial Art.
I’ve said this before, but BJJ is a really a “pseudo-Japanese” martial art.
The rituals adopted by BJJ are mostly “Japanese seeming”, but not really traditional Japanese etiquette, per se. Anyone who has trained Japanese martial arts at a traditional dojo, is well aware of the difference. I don’t mean it as a put down --because I do like the relaxed nature of BJJ-- but BJJ has always half-assed the traditions while simultaneously clinging to them.
Carlos Sr trained for --what?-- a couple years then taught his juvenile delinquent brothers. It’s in no way surprising that the subtleties of traditional Japanese Budo & Bujutsu etiquette were not “properly” transmitted in full. --And, one could well argue, maybe they shouldn’t have been transmitted at all?
But, either way, BJJ & Japanese etiquette are always strange bedfellows.
This is a very good point. It does seem to have a cargo-cult vibe to it. I’ve been at schools that do a half-assed imitation of the rituals, but it seems like they’re not sure why they do them.
If you’re an American BJJ practitioner you’re basically doing an imitation of a Brazilian guy’s idea of what Japanese people act like. It’s kinda interesting.
As a child, my first martial art was a style of Japanese/Hawaiian Jujitsu (not a strictly Japanese art) which OVER TIME as it existed in America became more and more “Japanese” in the hands of the Americans who ran it.
I started training that art again as an adult (18 years later) and in the meantime a lot of changes took place: Black Belts began wearing Hakamas in formal situations, promotions became more elaborate & ritualistic, people were getting physical scrolls of techniques as they sat in seiza, seated bowing was done, etc. --I mean they went full Benihana; the style became more what Americans THINK Japanese martial arts are supposed to be like.
Oddly the Japanese themselves didn’t do this with the Chinese Martial Arts they learned. Instead they made them their own; they made them Japanese.