N5Z - NAGA is the worst, where the parents hover right over the matches. Ive seen guys nearly step on the two kids on the mat on there way to argue with a ref or another parent. Not to mention the blatant sandbagging. I had a mother tell me 'He's been training for 3yrs but last time he lost his first match so this time we put him in novice'.
NAGA should be a lil more strict about the mat space cuz parents or coaches or whatever are on the mat which is rediculous. That makes the ring even smaller than it already is. One NAGA I competed in, there was 3 rows on people sitting on the mat, it was just silly. I say only people on the mat should be the people fighting and the ref, others should be off the mat.
And is there a purpose in kids competing really? First off there are way too many kids divisions since they are broken up by age, weight, and experience level. So then there's 4 kids max in each division, others as low as 1 or 2.
And for the crying? Really? If a kid is gonna cry after a match then I don't think that kid is at the maturity level to compete.
<blockquote>bravadojj - The BJJ tournaments here in the province of Ontario, Canada have no submissions till your age 11 and it's pretty safe....and let me tell you one thing, i will never hesitate to rip into ANY parent who bullies/berates/puts down their child! I run a tournament every year and i make it clear that any type of negative behaviour has no place in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu!</blockquote>
I ref at the tournaments that Danny is talking about and have stopped plenty of kids' matches as soon as a submission is locked up.
US Grappling's ref certification stresses that the ref owns the mat s/he is on, and I've taken that to heart. Frankly, even though I'm just a purple belt, I've never met a parent who knows as much about jiu-jitsu as I do. I don't really care what their opinion is.
i have my 5 year old doing a little standup/striking right now. he wanted to wrestle as well but i'm holding off until he's 6 because i think he needs some basics in developing balance and all.
to solve this problem,the rule is ,you get $5.00 for losing and nothing for winning.when the kid ask why,tell them you dont learn from winning you learn from losing
tylery101 - Doing that would emphasize too much of the sport aspect and not enough of the self-defense aspect and the next thing you know BJJ would be the next Karate...I agree it is up to the coaches to teach the kids when to tap, and the refs to stop it if a submission is locked in. Bottom line is if you change this then the kids won't hunt for subs anymore they will just try to lay and pray and that won't benefit either of the competitors <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I don't see this as being the case at all. In a self-defense situation, do you really think it's not useful for a kid to be able to take control of the situation through a takedown/sweep and then achieving mount? If you really think submissions are the only "non-sport" part of BJJ you are missing much of the point of the art.
I understand what your saying, but as stated earlier BJJ is about finishing to survive i feel like (just my personal opinion) doing that would encourage stalling
tylery101 - I understand what your saying, but as stated earlier BJJ is about finishing to survive i feel like (just my personal opinion) doing that would encourage stalling
lmao, finish to survive? We are talking kids man, they MIGHT get into it on a playground possibly and thats it, no life and death situations. There is no way that somehow taking out subs for kids in the beginning automatically encourages stalling later in life, get outta here w that nonsense. Hell, should we play pee wee baseball like the real thing then, even though somehow magically kids can learn how to hit a actual ball thrown to them later on in life even though most start off hitting it off a tee in the pee wee leagues?
Kids BJJ is stupid in my opinion. Armlocks, choking, crying, idiot parents all make for a bad environment that isn't healthy for kids.
Wrestling or Judo is a much better sport. If they want to later learn BJJ when they are older, it will be relatively easy to transition if they have a sound base in wrestling and/or Judo.
I have to say the loser parents that spend their time pushing their kids to do stuff they might not even be interested in, or arguing with the ref, or yelling shit from the sidelines are really annoying. Hey parents if you think BJJ is such a great sport, get on the mat yourselves !
Even when I'm down at the pool swimming a few laps, I see fat fuck parents yelling stuff at their children like "quit slacking off, you've another 20 laps to do". One child was complaining he was feeling sick, and to be honest he was looking pretty pale, but the parent made him keep swimming. Come on, the kid is probably not going to be an Olympic champion, and just cause you never achieved anything in life, don't take it out on the kid. Also why don't you get in the pool and swim some laps too, it might help you lose some weight !
In my view, it is good to get kids involved in activities, but on the other hand, let them enjoy themselves and have fun and don't make it all too serious. After all once they reach adulthood, they'll have plenty of stuff to worry about.
^There's a fine line between pushing a kid to instill self-discipline/mental toughness and douchey, meal ticket, living vicariously through your kids behavior.
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to solve this problem,the rule is ,you get $5.00 for losing and nothing for winning.when the kid ask why,tell them you dont learn from winning you learn from losing..."
I love that story!! I actually told it to a parent of one our kids the other day. Unfortunately he didn't get the moral of the story.
Jiu-Jitsu is all about the submissions. You soccer moms are ruining our sport. If you don't like submissions then don't do BJJ. No guillotine, no kimura, no pulling the head from triangle means watering down the sport. Train in wrestling instead of messing up our sport. And BTW the ref is supposed to stop a match when a kid is in danger like a straight arm bar.
bigmello - Jiu-Jitsu is all about the submissions. You soccer moms are ruining our sport. If you don't like submissions then don't do BJJ. No guillotine, no kimura, no pulling the head from triangle means watering down the sport. Train in wrestling instead of messing up our sport. And BTW the ref is supposed to stop a match when a kid is in danger like a straight arm bar.
Yeah that is true, BJJ does get watered down because of the rules. Kinda like in gi (for adults) you can't do certain submissions such as heel hooks or whatever, but that's a little off topic.
Anyways, young kids don't progress in BJJ as fast as an adult would so why train at such an early age. Would be better for the kid to train wrestling and/or judo until age 13 or so to get a good base then start BJJ.
