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                    <p>UFC&nbsp;President Dana White has long voiced the goal of becoming bigger than the NFL, as a point along the path to becoming the world's most popular sport. However, Dave Meltzer, who has unparalleled knowledge of the MMA and prowrestling worlds, makes the case that the closest business model to the UFC&nbsp;is not the NFL&nbsp;(or other big four sports competitor, or boxing) but rather the WWE.</p>

 

Within the mixed martial arts industry, those who complain about fighter pay continually throw out numbers, usually claiming that only 10 percent of revenue that UFC brings in trickles its way down to the fighters. That figure is ridiculous.

In an attempt to use figures based on Zuffa’s percentage of an 800,000-buy show, which is the rough industry estimate on UFC 141, the $3.1 million live gate, using listed fighter pay, announced bonuses, estimates of unannounced bonuses, and percentages of pay–per-view revenue built into the main eventers’ contracts, give you a very rough figure of 28 percent going to talent. However, for the Jan. 7, Strikeforce show in Las Vegas, with a very small gate figure and a full roster of fighters to pay, that figure could easily have been in the range of 50 percent.

UFC, as a business, is structured completely differently than the big four team sports, which pay closer to half of total revenue to the athletes. It’s also structured differently than boxing, where the major name fighters earn significantly more than UFC’s biggest draws. UFC has costs associated with producing and marketing shows, front-office expenses, and international expansion costs boxing organizations don’t have.

Virtually every UFC show will do at least 200,000 buys, but the top ceiling for the biggest events isn’t as high as in boxing, in part because there isn’t nearly the level of mainstream media coverage as there is for a Pacquiao or Mayweather fight. Plus, as a general rule, UFC pays undercard fighters better, and markets the shows around the top several matches on a card as opposed to just one killer main event.

The closest business model to UFC is that of World Wrestling Entertainment, which is believed to pay in the range of 13-15 percent of its total revenue to its performers. While some will argue WWE is a form of performance art and not a real athletic competition – and thus the performers don’t deserve as much money – the dollars WWE derives from its performers, who take a legitimate physical pounding, is every bit as green as those which UFC makes.

Both WWE and UFC employ hundreds of full-time front-office workers, so contrasting the percentage they pay to, say, an NFL team, isn’t necessarily a fair comparison.

From 2001-04, UFC lost tens of millions of dollars. If you are talking about what the fighters were earning then, which is a lot less than now, it was significantly more than the company could afford and remain in business for the long-term.

In fact, UFC nearly collapsed under the weight of the debt. But the company turned the corner in 2005 thanks to a deal with Spike TV, and has been running with significantly high EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) since that time. However, other operational costs remain, such as getting legalized nationwide and internationally, which no other professional sport has had to deal with.

UFC is not a monopoly, as there are untold numbers of smaller promotions around the country. One competitor, Bellator, is owned by media giant Viacom, which will have a very significant television deal with Spike starting in 2013.

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 There.

It's almost to the point of a natural monopoly of it weren't for them buying out pride and strikeforce. If the BBB wouldn't be up their ass they'd take over the world.

But as for pay, a very informative article Phone Post

I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141

UFC 141

sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

fighter payout was reported

Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000

Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000

Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000

Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000

Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000

Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000

Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000

Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000

Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000

Added together = $1,321,714.28

McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56
+ $225,000 fighters bonus'
= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141

$2,868,428 fighter payout

/

$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

= 9% of total revenue to the fighters

 Calhoon you are so far off in that calculation it is not ven funny....





Overeem was reported to make ~3Million counting revenue from PPV.



Brock also gets a cut of PPV.



Overeem alone got 10% of revenue.



DERPA

 

Calhoon - 



McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 


 He said that is fair for the LOW END fighters on the undercard, not everyone. Nice spin attempt...

I'm not sure why WWE and UFC are even mentioned together. One is an actual sport and one is entertainment. Why not compare Avatar to Strikeforce if we're going to have stupid ass news articles liek this. Hey I know let's do Harry Potter vs. UFC. This article is for window licking retards

Calhoon - I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141



UFC 141



sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141



fighter payout was reported



Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000



Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000



Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000



Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000



Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000



Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000



Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000



Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000



Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000



Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000



Added together = $1,321,714.28



McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56

+ $225,000 fighters bonus'

= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141



$2,868,428 fighter payout



/



$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141



= 9% of total revenue to the fighters
There is a job waiting for you at ESPN :-)

 

I did not count the big sponsership money because Zuffa does not pay it and instead takes a cut of it.

The numbers I used arwe what is reported times two which is a pretty accurate number imo.

Even if you think AO got 3 million from Zuffa it does not raise the figure to 28%

Kirik -
Calhoon - I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141

UFC 141

sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

fighter payout was reported

Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000

Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000

Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000

Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000

Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000

Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000

Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000

Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000

Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000

Added together = $1,321,714.28

McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56
+ $225,000 fighters bonus'
= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141

$2,868,428 fighter payout

/

$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

= 9% of total revenue to the fighters
There is a job waiting for you at ESPN :-)
 

Lol Phone Post

Calhoon - I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141

UFC 141

sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

fighter payout was reported

Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000

Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000

Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000

Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000

Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000

Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000

Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000

Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000

Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000

Added together = $1,321,714.28

McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56
+ $225,000 fighters bonus'
= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141

$2,868,428 fighter payout

/

$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

= 9% of total revenue to the fighters

Are you gonna post your bs formula on all the threads about this? Get a life.

 Calhoon you neglected PPV cuts and all bonus'. 



You also have NO WAY of calculating the COST of putting on the show for Zuffa. They pay much more than just the fighters...



Failed math is failed.

Lanfear - 



Are you gonna post your bs formula on all the threads about this? Get a life.


 He is SO proud that his 8th grade algebra class is paying off, that he doesn't mind making a fool of himself on the 12th grade Business tip.

NAAFS - 
Kirik -
Calhoon - I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141

UFC 141

sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

fighter payout was reported

Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000

Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000

Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000

Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000

Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000

Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000

Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000

Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000

Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000

Added together = $1,321,714.28

McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56
+ $225,000 fighters bonus'
= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141

$2,868,428 fighter payout

/

$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141

= 9% of total revenue to the fighters
There is a job waiting for you at ESPN :-)
 
Lol Phone Post


LOL...

LayNprayNINJA - 
Lanfear - 



Are you gonna post your bs formula on all the threads about this? Get a life.


 He is SO proud that his 8th grade algebra class is paying off, that he doesn't mind making a fool of himself on the 12th grade Business tip.
do better ,show us what you know instead of acting like a women.

 

coldcash - 
NAAFS - 
Kirik -
Calhoon - I'm not sure where he came up with 28% for UFC 141



UFC 141



sold 800,000 ppv x $60 = 48,000,000 ppv sales / 2 for zuffa's cut = $24,000,000 ppv profit is suppose to be 75% of revenue for Zuffa so 24,000,000 / .75 = $32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141



fighter payout was reported



Alistair Overeem: $385,714.28 (includes $121,428.57 win bonus) def. Brock Lesnar: $400,000



Nate Diaz: $74,000 (includes $37,000 win bonus) def. Donald Cerrone: $30,000



Johny Hendricks: $52,000 (includes $26,000 win bonus) def. Jon Fitch: $60,000



Alexander Gustafsson: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko: $40,000



Jim Hettes: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Nam Phan: $8,000



Ross Pearson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Junior Assuncao: $8,000



Danny Castillo: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani: $12,000



Dong Hyun Kim: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus) def. Sean Pierson: $8,000



Jacob Volkmann: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus) def. Efrain Escudero: $10,000



Diego Nunes: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan: $18,000



Added together = $1,321,714.28



McKorkle thinks doubling the reported pay is a fair assesment to what fighters get paid so x 2 = $2,643,428.56 keep in mind thiis has sponsership money added in to which Zuffa does not pay but we will use this number anyway. $2,643,428.56

+ $225,000 fighters bonus'

= $2,868,428 Fighter pay for ufc 141



$2,868,428 fighter payout



/



$32,000,000 total revenue for ufc 141



= 9% of total revenue to the fighters
There is a job waiting for you at ESPN :-)

 
Lol Phone Post




LOL...
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Big Pun - I'm not sure why WWE and UFC are even mentioned together. One is an actual sport and one is entertainment. Why not compare Avatar to Strikeforce if we're going to have stupid ass news articles liek this. Hey I know let's do Harry Potter vs. UFC. This article is for window licking retards


Wow 2012 is off to a strong start with a dumbest post of the year contender.

The article is from a business standpoint. The two companies are being compared because have a lot in common. How slow are you? Ever read a business magazine, watched a business television show? Lol fuck. You think when Dana visits Vince it's because he's a big pro wrestling fan? Again.. dumbest post of the year contender.

hmmm
how many wwe pay per views are there during a year? i imagine not as many...
how much do those cost, which translates into revenue? i imagine not has high...
but they do a lot of tv, which is lots of sponsorship.

and regarding calhoons #s.... you forget about a lot of traditional costs like cost for the building, marketing of the event, accommodations for fighters before during and after fights, production costs, accounting costs, expansion R&D costs, etc etc. unless you run your own business or have significant business experience you probably dont appreciate how much these things can cost. people don't work for free.

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LayNprayNINJA - 
Lanfear - 

Are you gonna post your bs formula on all the threads about this? Get a life.

 He is SO proud that his 8th grade algebra class is paying off, that he doesn't mind making a fool of himself on the 12th grade Business tip.
do better ,show us what you know instead of acting like a women.
 


i agree. at least he took the time and made a good post. most guys just wanna talk trash like girls and say lol, cool story brah, etc

Good post Calhoon but you didn't calculate the PPV bonuses. Reem made 2M+ on those and Brock even more.