i have the same problem 12, but i understand what you're saying
..... MIGUEL TORRES ...... strike 1st , submit 2nd . wash , repeat ANDERSON SILVA .... strike 1st , submit 2nd wash , repeat
staying on ur side is also over rated by the purist .... watch serra last night some of the tufest shots he took were when he was on his side and hughes had the perfect on ur side angle to blast serra in his face
it seems to me that /// a blend of open guard ( allowing u to scramble back up , and in the " coming up" process , u look for sneaky quick subs or tricky knees etc )
and closed guard with grapevine mixed in to help with posture . ..... from there a guy like miguel or anderson silva beat u up from their guard with .... elbows raining down on the head or slashing from the sides . theyre striking from theyre backs is what makes them so submission dangerous
the PORNO GUARD ,,, is a position where fighter A ... has opponent smashed up against the fence ... feet are straight in the air and legs are wide open .... doom is soon to follow lol
i personally invented this description of that position ... but it hasnt caught on yet lol
Grapplegod is correct.
Many fighters use a sportive guard ...instead of the guard the way the Gracies intended it.
Porno guard sounds like it has some potential.
being on your back, where you are vulnerable to punches at any time in MMA is a disadvantage, no matter how slick you are on the mat.
Yes. Some of you should actually try it!
Huh?
People have known for a long time that there are ways to stay in someone's guard in MMA and smash him with strikes.
The problem is that people think that the guard is an awesome position to be in. It is in sport BJJ but when you throw strikes into the mix, it basically becomes the least suckiest position/option when you can't get on top.
I always tell my fighters if they want their guard to be effective they have to attack. I think closed guard, rubber, half...whatever guard works just fine if you attack from it. People try to defend and survive and the top man doesn't have to respect the submissions or sweeps and can pick his shots. However, if the bottom guy is constantly trying good submissions and sweeps and keeping the top guy defending and catching his balance, he never has time to get a good g'n'p going. "The best defense is a good offense" I think that holds true to being on your back as well... SPROUT
Louis Ho - So what do you guys think? Has the modern era of MMA smashed the traditional BJJ guard? Check the Sonnen/Miller fight. The fight is pretty representative of how a good ground and pound just demolishes the guard. Seriously, how many fighters out there are kicking ass off of their backs? Any names come to mind? For the most part, it's become more of a matter of survival than anything else.
***LOUIS has hit the correct. The guard needs to be used as a means of immediate escape - and if a sub is there to be taken as you're trying to escape from off your back, fine. But to just "work" guard is to invite a pounding.
A subtle difference, perhaps, but a big difference in today's mma.
Yes the guard is shit these days so we may as well scrap the idea.... so basically if you find yourself on the botton and cant get top give your back as soon as you can because there is nothing you can do, so get it over with.
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i agree with you sprout
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It's either you get back up to your feet ASAP (that's an art onto itself), or you have really badass skills to tie up the guy in your guard and proceed with sweeps and sub attempts. I think that, if done right, the guard can be a very offensive position. But that's a really big "if". You gotta really do your homework to pull off quality guard stuff in MMA these days. The more tools you have at your disposal, the better.
If you have an active guard then it minimizes the damage. The guard is primarily a defensive position the an offensive guard can be the best defense from sweeping, submitting, elbowing
lol @ the guard being dead...hopefully everyone will quit training BJJ because it's "dead...and years from now BJJ will come back and destroy everyone again because people quit training it...it's a cycle for some people, now I'm sure the regular guys will be looking into Karate because of Machida etc..it never ends. BJJ proved how neccessary it, that hasn't changed..trhe only thing that changed is that all current fighter train BJJ and guard...let them stop training guard and BJJ and pure BJJ guys will come in and clean house again in the future. A good fighter knows Guard isn't "dead"...because people still lose even today while in a good Jiu Jitsu players guard! The whole "so and so is dead" thinking is what will water down some fighters by making them become "jack of all, master of none", as a matter of fact tons of those guys already flood the sport.
The Guard was invented for people who aren't great wrestlers and will never be able to outwrestle someone who's been doing it their entire lives or are much bigger than them...the guard will never be irrelevant....
Louis Ho - Although Sperry's MMA guard was pretty bad
please explain?
2 great statements " a good offense is a good defense,the guard will never be irrelevant.Got Freedom Thank a Vet
Anidiot. What's up? Sperry was and is a great grappler and accomplished much in his career. However, his guard was definitely not his strength. For an MMA example, look at his fight with one of the Rua brothers in Pride. His guard was horrible. For a sub grappling example, look at his superfight with Mark Kerr. His guard was also pretty bad.
dan miller has great JJ but his guard, the other night, was not risky, and that was ultimately his down fall. It was ,unfortunately, his mistake, not jiu jitsu's
Yes. I could tell from watching the fight that Dan Miller's ground game is really solid. I think that the main problem is that his style of guard was not able to effectively tie up or clinch his opponent. He took way too many elbows from the bottom. I really think that is the key to a good MMA guard. The ability to tie up/clinch so that the guy on top won't be able to smash you. From your clinch, you then proceed to work your sweeps and subs. That makes sense to me.