With all due respect, this isn't a docu at all. It seems like a bunch of interviews from UFC fighters talking ABOUT Bruce Lee. Not an actual documentary on Lee's life at all. The opening graphical intro is awesome though.
Which BTW docus on Bruce have been done to death. Hell, John Little has the best ones on Lee as it is. And, there already was one shown a year or two ago that starred MMA personalities as well.
I dunno....what will they have different to say that the other docus haven't said already 5x's over?
Alumynabjj -DoomFarmer - Does anyone else feel like Bruce Lee's influence in MMA is overstated? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Yes... if Bruce Lee never would have been born there would have been no difference to where we are today. To all the Bruce Lee nuthuggers get over it.
Bruce lee died in 1973 and it took a Gracie to make everyone talk about fighting. Now Bruce did create the whole Karate genre of bullshit over the top movies that made dipshits want to do flying spin kicks. That I will give Bruce Lee.
The Gracie's got into the UFC to prove GJJ was the best martial art and that was all you needed to know. They didn't give a shit about MMA just GJJ. Bruce Lee was the fist guy to say you should take everything that works from other martial arts and he took a lot of shit over that. Anyone that disagrees that Bruce was a true mixed martial artist is just seriously uneducated about Lee and should save there opinions for something they are more educated on.
KahL - With all due respect, this isn't a docu at all. It seems like a bunch of interviews from UFC fighters talking ABOUT Bruce Lee. Not an actual documentary on Lee's life at all. The opening graphical intro is awesome though.it's certainly a doc, maybe not a doc about his entire life, but a nonfictional doc nonetheless...
Which BTW docus on Bruce have been done to death. Hell, John Little has the best ones on Lee as it is. And, there already was one shown a year or two ago that starred MMA personalities as well.
I dunno....what will they have different to say that the other docus haven't said already 5x's over?
if it is anything like the open, we are in for a treat!
btw, your producing skills are top notch!
Cyril Jeff -I'm just trying to figure out what it's actually documenting here? In all fairness, this IS a preview, so it could be totally different in the final product (first episode). However, from what we've seen, it isn't documenting anything on Lee. Instead, it's showing interviews of UFC fighters talking about him. Which leads to my confusion- how is this a documentary?KahL - With all due respect, this isn't a docu at all. It seems like a bunch of interviews from UFC fighters talking ABOUT Bruce Lee. Not an actual documentary on Lee's life at all. The opening graphical intro is awesome though.it's certainly a doc, maybe not a doc about his entire life, but a nonfictional doc nonetheless...
Which BTW docus on Bruce have been done to death. Hell, John Little has the best ones on Lee as it is. And, there already was one shown a year or two ago that starred MMA personalities as well.
I dunno....what will they have different to say that the other docus haven't said already 5x's over?
if it is anything like the open, we are in for a treat!
btw, your producing skills are top notch!
BTW, thank you on that :)
Cyril Jeff -Alumynabjj -Cyril Jeff - Brue Lee was one of, if not the FIRST true Mixed Martial Artist.
His style was adaptaed from multiple martial arts.
not sure how anyone could say differently.
Did he really learn them? Was he good at Judo? Was he good at wrestling or boxing? The only article I could find about Bruce Lee and boxing made sure that is specifically pointed out that he had zero technique.
So while I have nothing against Bruce, he was most certainly not as well rounded as all you folks would like us to believe.
this is an excellent point and one that I think much of the confusion stems from. being a mixed martial artist doesn't automatically mean you are a master or every martial art known to man, it means you acknowledge and pursue martial arts outside of just 1, at least that's what it means imo.
Bruce's analogy about being fluid, like water, and adapting to every situation as the situation calls is the true nature of mixed martial arts imo...
this right here.
KahL -Cyril Jeff -I'm just trying to figure out what it's actually documenting here? In all fairness, this IS a preview, so it could be totally different in the final product (first episode). However, from what we've seen, it isn't documenting anything on Lee. Instead, it's showing interviews of UFC fighters talking about him. Which leads to my confusion- how is this a documentary?KahL - With all due respect, this isn't a docu at all. It seems like a bunch of interviews from UFC fighters talking ABOUT Bruce Lee. Not an actual documentary on Lee's life at all. The opening graphical intro is awesome though.it's certainly a doc, maybe not a doc about his entire life, but a nonfictional doc nonetheless...
Which BTW docus on Bruce have been done to death. Hell, John Little has the best ones on Lee as it is. And, there already was one shown a year or two ago that starred MMA personalities as well.
I dunno....what will they have different to say that the other docus haven't said already 5x's over?
if it is anything like the open, we are in for a treat!
btw, your producing skills are top notch!
BTW, thank you on that :)
great questions, I look forward to finding out along with you!
Alumynabjj -ClearwaterFLMMA -Cyril Jeff -Alumynabjj -Cyril Jeff - Brue Lee was one of, if not the FIRST true Mixed Martial Artist.
His style was adaptaed from multiple martial arts.
not sure how anyone could say differently.
Did he really learn them? Was he good at Judo? Was he good at wrestling or boxing? The only article I could find about Bruce Lee and boxing made sure that is specifically pointed out that he had zero technique.
So while I have nothing against Bruce, he was most certainly not as well rounded as all you folks would like us to believe.
this is an excellent point and one that I think much of the confusion stems from. being a mixed martial artist doesn't automatically mean you are a master or every martial art known to man, it means you acknowledge and pursue martial arts outside of just 1, at least that's what it means imo.
Bruce's analogy about being fluid, like water, and adapting to every situation as the situation calls is the true nature of mixed martial arts imo...
this right here.
I never said you have to be a master, yet you do at least have to be competent. Martial Arts means Art of War. It does not stand for "Asian guy that says cool shit". If he was a true martial artist he would have put in the time to become a functional fighter. He was not. He took wing chun and made it not as sucky which is not very hard to do.
Again, I have nothing against Bruce yet his fighting system was flawed and he did not work to institute the best fighting styles of the time. His main focus was not to become the best fighter he could be. Otherwise he would had focused on Boxing, Wrestling, and Judo. If he would have done this I would agree he would have been the start of Mixed Martial Arts.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or are really this ignorant.
He literally did ALL OF THE ABOVE. Literally, from learning and understanding boxing (especially influence from Ali), kickboxing (from Joe Lewis and Norris) to dealing with Wrestling, Catch and Judo (with LeBell).
Seriously, please quit now while you're...."ahead". You obviously don't know what you're talking about in the least. Not even a micron.
Have you even READ any of his writings? Actually, your responses already answered that......
Alumynabjj - You are probably one of those dudes that trains some bullshit art like once a week and think you can actually do something.what? you don't know who KahL is, do you?
I have been training for four years and still understand that I have much to learn. Your arrogance is appalling and it is baffling to me that you expect me to go along with your low level expectation of martial arts. Hanging out with a boxer does not mean you understand it. Training it for years and putting in the time and competing means you understand it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/KahL1One?blend=6&ob=5
there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone's opinion, but you might want to try and do it a little more gracefully...
It's not about how good he was, or how legitimate a 'mixed martial artist' he was. Bruce Lee made martial arts famous. He made every kid want to learn martial arts. Bruce Lee resulted in guys like Chuck Norris, Seagal, JCVD etc. being in movies and TV. It may have been inevitable, but he definitely sped it up. He made people aware of things other than boxing in terms of combat. People dont understand what he did to bring MA to the western world, because its always been popular to them. I think that without Lee we would be talking boxing right now, because MMA would still be a while away, and societies view of fighting would be different.
DoomFarmer - Does anyone else feel like Bruce Lee's influence in MMA is overstated? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
No
<blockquote><br /><br />Bruce Lee did nothing for MMA in America. Nothing. People cannot provide one piece of evidence to prove this point.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />if only someone could make, like, a documentary with a collection of top mma fighters discussing how bruce lee inspired them
Alumynabjj
Bruce Lee did nothing for MMA in America. Nothing. People cannot provide one piece of evidence to prove this point.
if only someone could make, like, a documentary with a collection of top mma fighters discussing how bruce lee inspired them
Alumynabjj -You really, REALLY are so far off it's staggering.gibboau - It's not about how good he was, or how legitimate a 'mixed martial artist' he was. Bruce Lee made martial arts famous. He made every kid want to learn martial arts. Bruce Lee resulted in guys like Chuck Norris, Seagal, JCVD etc. being in movies and TV. It may have been inevitable, but he definitely sped it up. He made people aware of things other than boxing in terms of combat. People dont understand what he did to bring MA to the western world, because its always been popular to them. I think that without Lee we would be talking boxing right now, because MMA would still be a while away, and societies view of fighting would be different. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Man.. I am trying to leave this thread yet I can't. I agree Bruce Lee brought Kung Fu, Karate, and other fighting arts mainstream in America. I also agree he made movies based on those fighting arts popular. Yet he died in 1973 I believe and there was no MMA in America till the Gracies brought it over in 1993 and there still wouldnt be if they hadnt.
Bruce Lee did nothing for MMA in America. Nothing. People cannot provide one piece of evidence to prove this point. He did do great things for Martial Arts movies which I agree with 100%. Sorry, yet a bunch of dudes thinking their sticky fists and doing kata's does not impress. Martial Arts is about fighting, not philosphy.
Not getting into anything philosophical, but MAs are different in meaning to every individual. To some, they're philosophical, to others, they're physical. Ask a Wrestler what it means and you'll get a different reponse from a Judo player, or a Boxer, or a Savate fighter and a Kendo expert. They're all martial artists- Bruce's point of awareness.
The end point is combat, yes, but the path is different for everyone mentally. What you're doing is showing a narrow minded approach to the entire purpose of martial arts. Directly and exactly what Bruce wanted to avoid. In the irony of your own juvenile outbursts on here flaming Bruce, you essentially proved him right completely, without even throwing a punch.
That's one of the main reasons why people love him to this day. Open minded approach, check your ego at the door. His delivery method was philosophical. To some it's easy to understand and to others, it's German. But because you're [obviously] ignorant to it doesn't mean he's insignificant. He's one of the grounded pillars to what MMA's entire curriculum stands for.
Seriously, maybe less trolling on the interwebs and more genuine reading would help you.
Go to a book store, a physical bookstore and pick up Tao Jeet Kune Do. Then come back and talk. I'm sure you'll have a MUCH different response.
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Lastly, Bruce's exploits into boxing that you mentioned, were when he was JUST coming from a Wing Chun background. Another key in him understanding cross training.
The popularity of Karate has more to do w/ the influx of Kyokushin, Shotokan and other styles during the 70's from the military bringing it over. Bruce was actually going AGAINST that grain, demonstrating at the likes of Ed Parker's tournaments on what JKD was conceptually. Kung Fu movies were more popular in the late 70's, then ninjas in the 80's.
You honestly have NO idea what you're talking about. On ANY of your points whatsoever.
Some people are arguing about Gracie this Bruce lee that.Years ago i met Rickson Gracie.Rickson felt Bruce Lee was a martial arts legend.Rickson believe in Bruce Lee philosopies of take what is useful reject what is not(to you).As he explain to me he might be good at the triangle,where that technique might not be good for me.Rickson recommended me to pick up Tao of Jeet Kune Do.Even Rickson said in an interview that he and Royce both do jiu jitsu just his personal way of doing it is different.Maybe Bruce and Rickson fought differently but they had one major belief that they followed.
Alumynabjj -gibboau - It's not about how good he was, or how legitimate a 'mixed martial artist' he was. Bruce Lee made martial arts famous. He made every kid want to learn martial arts. Bruce Lee resulted in guys like Chuck Norris, Seagal, JCVD etc. being in movies and TV. It may have been inevitable, but he definitely sped it up. He made people aware of things other than boxing in terms of combat. People dont understand what he did to bring MA to the western world, because its always been popular to them. I think that without Lee we would be talking boxing right now, because MMA would still be a while away, and societies view of fighting would be different. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Man.. I am trying to leave this thread yet I can't. I agree Bruce Lee brought Kung Fu, Karate, and other fighting arts mainstream in America. I also agree he made movies based on those fighting arts popular. Yet he died in 1973 I believe and there was no MMA in America till the Gracies brought it over in 1993 and there still wouldnt be if they hadnt.
Bruce Lee did nothing for MMA in America. Nothing. People cannot provide one piece of evidence to prove this point. He did do great things for Martial Arts movies which I agree with 100%. Sorry, yet a bunch of dudes thinking their sticky fists and doing kata's does not impress. Martial Arts is about fighting, not philosphy.
Well there is a entire Doc with high level MMA fighters talking about how Bruce Lee inspired them. How is that not proof enough?
I understand that you have the Gracie's bias and nothing anyone will say will make you change your mind but by your own logic by saying Lee wasn't good at boxing meant he wasn't a mixed martial artist is rubbish. And by your own logic the Gracie's aren't mixed martial artist because I have yet to see more than one gracie with anything more than a good bjj game.
Bruce Lee had the best hair.End of thread...
I loved when Kenny Florian wore the yellow and black jumpsuit from "Game of Death" for his walk-in for UFC 87.
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying."
Bruce Lee
ttt for later