Old school seems more applicable towards the no-rules, no-time limit Vale Tudo ruleset. No school BJJ seems more oriented towards submission grappling competition.
Both are still extremely viable means of self defense. But the evolution of BJJ as a sport into itself is a reality. We are seeing ATHLETES propel BJJ into the mainstream which is good.
lol @ Einux, I'm a brown belt in judo and if I turtle its just to roll for a reversal. Not all judo guys are the same, sorry you've trained with some who aren't that good. Honestly, with the way judo is in the US its about as varied as say the level of blue in bjj. You have some who are badass, and you have some that are so crappy you can't understand how they got the rank to begin with.
I have a friend who trains a a very respected Judo school here in the US, and have been a fan of Judo for a long time.
However most high level schools (at least in the US) are 100% sport oriented, and teach to go to the turtle and wait for the reff re-start as soon as they end up on their back. Its pretty common.
"Honestly, with the way judo is in the US its about as varied as say the level of blue in bjj."
Im sure your post is probly right, Im not even a blue (mostly because being to pratice every single time is a BIG thing at our school, and I live an hr away) and have been training for years (7 years total but not at the same school, even made my pro debut at 17 and won)
One of the guys at our gym who was a blue(who left) I could match any day of the week. He left and started training under a brazilian and got his 3 stripe purple very very fast. Of course we hold or guys back a long time lol.
" "The real question is, if you take a person and teach them oldschool BJJ and another similar person, new school BJJ, which one would do better in self defense?"
the person who is more athletic and had more fight experience "
Yes checkuroil, that is why I said similar person in my post. When making a comparison like that you have to have all factors being equal.
cool Einux, and you are right on that. Its just that I've rolled with some black belts and been able to handle them on the ground pretty easy (judo black belts), whereas as some others have thoroughly whooped my ass. Same with blues in bjj. For alot of judo schools, you train to take advantage of the rules (all the more reason why turtling should be a penalty in ALL judo competitions if I had my way about it). I remember rolling with a russian judoka bb at a tourney a couple of years ago and I honestly don't think I have been armbarred that much in my entire life!
If you want to make sure you can defend yourself on the street, don't be dumbass. Obviously some new school techniques won't work all that well when striking is involved and others will. Use your brain to figure out which are which.
Old School is superior for self-defense because their philosophy assumed
that your assailant was a faster, stronger, and heavier opponent with no
time limits and who would be striking.
The focus wasn't on scoring points within a specific time limit against
another bjj guy who weighed the same as you.
To me it means doing the art with the gi then no-gi and also doing vale tudo bjj with strikes (nothing so old-school about that).
So if you are concerned with strikes train for good basics when grappling and then train with strikes predominantly. This will make you good at it. Not thinking of doing "old school jj"