Pederneiras: Nova Uniao to start $#!@ talking

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                    <p>Mixed martial arts can elevate the human character and soul, if approached properly. However, mutual respect and dignity do not put asses in seats, and therefore dollars in the purse. Trash talk does.</p>

Nova Uniao founder Andre Pederneiras, who is enormously respected for his honorable approach to character building, recently spoke with Brazil's Combate about the dilema.

"People have to understand that there are two side now in the MMA of today, mostly in the UFC: the sporty side and the business side," said Pederneiras, as translated by Fernando Arbex for BE. "I've always learned and passed to all my athletes that you have to respect your opponent, even if you have beat the hell out of him. You always have to be polite and treat him in the best way. But this model is not attractive for the business side. You see people having title shots by talking a lot. I can say that it's wrong? I can't. By the business side, it's absolutely right. By the sporty side, it's wrong. As as coach and professor, I don't want to see my fighter doing trash talking and have altercations with other guys. I want him to be a UFC champion, but also be a good person, to be polite and learn things for the rest of his life. However, we'll have a meeting here to talk about the business side. We are in a dilemma. You have to enter in a fight thinking about the show or other guys will pass you."

"About 10 or 12 years ago, I had a talk with my athletes. We were a Jiu-Jitsu gym and were going to become a MMA team. I told them this: 'If you just took your opponents down and don't do stand up fighting, no organization will want to have you. Nobody wants to watch a guy that just does grappling, sometimes having a submission and sometimes not. In this market, the American market, people want to watch striking. You can takedown your opponent but also trade punches with him.' We have invested in training to avoid being taking down and to strike for a long time. This meeting that I will have with them is to say that the market doesn't want you to just trade punches with your opponent, but also that you talk a lot of s--- about your rival to to get everybody's attention. We didn't want this, but it sells good and financially will be nice for the fighters."

The day after this interview was published, UFC featherweight champion and Nova Uniao product Jose Aldo shoves Chad Mendes as the weigh ins.

The fault in MMA lies not with the fighters who trash talk, or with coaches who remind their fighters that over hyping a fight is good for business. The fault, if there is one, is with us. We are driven to watch a fight more if there is bad blood leading up to to it.

So what are you thinking about Aldo vs. Mendes?

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Aldo has mad trash talk as of late, but he seems to be just responding rather than initiating it. Phone Post 3.0

It`s very obvious that were are in a money driven world.

I myself can`t stand the contrived shit.

Barao: You still there, pussy? Phone Post 3.0

I think aldo is just trying to hype the fight up, he sees it working for the Americans, why not. Phone Post 3.0

doerksenfan - Barao: You still there, pussy? Phone Post 3.0
Lol Phone Post 3.0

Not sure who got a title shot just from trash talk. People say that about Chapel Sonnen, but they ignore the fact that he was always willing to take big fights on short notice when someone got injured while most other fighters passed on the opportunity. That attitude built a lot of good grace with the company and was a big factor in getting him those title shots. Phone Post 3.0

I'm not sure it's productive to tell people you plan to talk fake shit before hand.

JoeHurley - Not sure who got a title shot just from trash talk. People say that about Chapel Sonnen, but they ignore the fact that he was always willing to take big fights on short notice when someone got injured while most other fighters passed on the opportunity. That attitude built a lot of good grace with the company and was a big factor in getting him those title shots. Phone Post 3.0


Are you talking about the same Chael (coming off a loss at MW) that coached againt Jones on TUF and fought him for the LWH title 8 months after UFC 151 was cancelled while there were actual LHWs ready to fight Jones?



 



Who passed on the opportunity to coach TUF and fight Jones at UFC 159?  Weidman also offered to fight Jones at 151.  Lots of guys are willing to fight on short notice, Chael talked a lot of shit and was put on a pedestal because of it. 



 



The attitude of anywhere, anytime is shared by a lot of fighters.  Chael made the UFC (and himself) a lot of money because of his mic skills on top of his fighting.  Not sure how you can deny that

ChaosOverkill - 


I'm not sure it's productive to tell people you plan to talk fake shit before hand.


LOL that's what I was thinking. They might want to keep it to themselves, so it comes off somewhat real.

Andre is speaking about this because he categorically disagrees with this aspect of the sport and wants people to know that his hand is being forced for the financial benefit of his fighters. I can't stand it either. Saying that it was fun to watch Aldo push Mendez but then that's the child in me. Ariel Helwani is smiling down from his flying saucer

 

Johnny Storm - This "sport" has turned into a fucking joke.

ChaosOverkill -


I'm not sure it's productive to tell people you plan to talk fake shit before hand.

Right??? Phone Post 3.0

Jimmy Wrassler -
JoeHurley - Not sure who got a title shot just from trash talk. People say that about Chapel Sonnen, but they ignore the fact that he was always willing to take big fights on short notice when someone got injured while most other fighters passed on the opportunity. That attitude built a lot of good grace with the company and was a big factor in getting him those title shots. Phone Post 3.0


Are you talking about the same Chael (coming off a loss at MW) that coached againt Jones on TUF and fought him for the LWH title 8 months after UFC 151 was cancelled while there were actual LHWs ready to fight Jones?



 



Who passed on the opportunity to coach TUF and fight Jones at UFC 159?  Weidman also offered to fight Jones at 151.  Lots of guys are willing to fight on short notice, Chael talked a lot of shit and was put on a pedestal because of it. 



 



The attitude of anywhere, anytime is shared by a lot of fighters.  Chael made the UFC (and himself) a lot of money because of his mic skills on top of his fighting.  Not sure how you can deny that

Here we go with the selective memory. You pick one match and skew it. Tuf coaching has nothing to do with last minute replacements and I hadn't even mentioned that. How about you talk about what led up to it with Chapel willingvto fight Jones on extremely short notice when Henderson got injured? Or mention some of the other fights he stepped in for? Why go on about TUF? Phone Post 3.0

Pitbull3744 -
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Its very obvious that were are in a money driven world.</p>
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I myself can
t stand the contrived shit.



Its all bullshit, i hate shit talking the worst was Chael.



 



 



ANDERSON SILVA YOU ABSOLOUTELY SUCK



 



I mean seriously? Thats what MMA needs to be popular, wrestling shoots?

Some fans may not like it but the fact is the majority of people respond to it. It gets attention. When it happens this forum goes crazy talking about it and people watch because the mindset of "its going to be a good fight because these guys don't like each other and there's bad". Jones and Cormier scuffle and name call and suddenly the fight is blown up with everyone excited about it. Drama sells in sports. Its a fact. Phone Post 3.0

Pitbull3744 -
JoeHurley - 
Pitbull3744 -
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Its very obvious that were are in a money driven world.</p>
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I myself can
t stand the contrived shit.



Its all bullshit, i hate shit talking the worst was Chael.



 



 



ANDERSON SILVA YOU ABSOLOUTELY SUCK



 



I mean seriously? Thats what MMA needs to be popular, wrestling shoots?

Some fans may not like it but the fact is the majority of people respond to it. It gets attention. When it happens this forum goes crazy talking about it and people watch because the mindset of "its going to be a good fight because these guys don't like each other and there's bad". Jones and Cormier scuffle and name call and suddenly the fight is blown up with everyone excited about it. Drama sells in sports. Its a fact. Phone Post 3.0


Agreed but most legit sports dont need drama for fans to tune in.  

True, but it always adds interest even in legit sports and we see it often. Look at the NFL. Richard Sherman's rant made him a huge name and was the biggest story of the Superbowl. Most people love TMZ drama because it gives casual watchers something to talk about while hard core fans are annoyed by it. The media hypes it up making it even worse. Phone Post 3.0

BooZe - I think aldo is just trying to hype the fight up, he sees it working for the Americans, why not. Phone Post 3.0
Called it, the look on his face was not in the moment "Fuck you" it was more like, "wait for it, wait for it, now" type of shove. He made it worse by admitting it... Phone Post 3.0

Something that gets left out of the conversation today is jiu jitsu. It's actually exciting (although it hasnt been in the ufc lately). There is a contingent of fans that liked watching matches like Belcher vs Palhares or TKZ vs Poirier and seeing George Sotiropoulos tear up LW. I'm tired of the current trend of avoiding jiu jitsu. I wish people weren't so quick to write it out of the mma conversation

if you're going to talk shit don't admit that none of it's genuine after the fact. fucking idiots.