D, I loved Pride up until the last few cards.
I don't know if prime BJ would have owned Pride. I think the Gomi he beat was nothing like the one that went on a tear in Pride. Aurelio tooled Gomi and even arguably should have won the rematch, but that was always a little mystifying. It's not like Gomi didn't easily stop the takedowns of much better wrestlers and destroy standing far better strikers.
I think those would have been some very interesting fights (BJ/Gomi, Kawajiri, Sakurai).
disbeliever -D241 -
For those that may not know, orcus can be a SOLID poster, as long as the topics do not include-
Fedor
Pride
BJ Penn
K1 Striking
K1 fighters
Being that orcus HATES BJ Penn, and orcus HATES Pride, I would LOVE to see how he gets out of this corner.
What say you orcus? Do you agree that BJ Penn, as shitty and overrated as you think he is, was better than the Pride lw's?
Or is that shitty organization they call Pride have better lightweights than the UFC did?
Pick your poison :)
I've said it on the boards and also directly to him, I think he contributes a lot of MMA knowledge and history to the boards, and is a generally good poster.
Unless it is a topic he is fanatical about, in which case he ends up attacking, discrediting or revising history about that topic.
Optimus PRIME vs Rotimus PRIME
BROKE Fitch vs MOTIVATED BJ vs HEALTHY Shogun
orcus -
D, I loved Pride up until the last few cards.
I don't know if prime BJ would have owned Pride. I think the Gomi he beat was nothing like the one that went on a tear in Pride. Aurelio tooled Gomi and even arguably should have won the rematch, but that was always a little mystifying. It's not like Gomi didn't easily stop the takedowns of much better wrestlers and destroy standing far better strikers.
I think those would have been some very interesting fights (BJ/Gomi, Kawajiri, Sakurai).
I'll accept this answer. I'll accept it as a saving grace for you.
You obviously didn't give a definitive answer, and that's fine, you don't have to.
But the question had 1 of 2 answers. Either a fighter you've discredited at length(BJ Penn) is superior to all of Pride's lw division, or an organization that you've discredited at length(Pride) had fighters who were superior to the UFC champion.
The match ups you mentioned would be interesting, but I would most look forward to a 165ish BJ Penn facing a 178ish Sakuraba. Hard to imagine how that fight would play out. BJ's never been submitted in mma and has never been dropped from a standing strike.
Shit - I didn't know ShoeMoney was a UGer. Cool to see.
As for the OP:
Styles make fights, not the org, but ring or cage and different rule sets also come into play when breaking fights down
^this
PRIME numbers vs. COMPOSITE...SEVEN vs. TEN...I say prime ALL DAY...
Prime Fedor all day every day, forget what Dana tries to brainwash people with and what the noobs saw in Strikeforce when Fedor wasn't even a shadow of himself. A Prime Fedor is the GOAT and would destroy in the UFC
Lookin' for EMPHASIS up in this bitch...uppercase, bold, italicized...GLITTER FONT, all that shit.
Wasa-B - BROKE Fitch vs MOTIVATED BJ vs HEALTHY Shogun
A lot of the guys in these PRIME threads fought in both orgs, or other orgs like Pancrase, etc. How far did you have to reach to make this a Pride vs UFC thing?
liquidrob -Wasa-B - BROKE Fitch vs MOTIVATED BJ vs HEALTHY Shogun
vs UFC 100 Brock vs KRU Hughes vs HORSEMEAT Overeem
Roy Nelson starches a PRIME Fedor. Out cold. 
Prime IFL fighter imo
omega 2013 -disbeliever -D241 -
For those that may not know, orcus can be a SOLID poster, as long as the topics do not include-
Fedor
Pride
BJ Penn
K1 Striking
K1 fighters
Being that orcus HATES BJ Penn, and orcus HATES Pride, I would LOVE to see how he gets out of this corner.
What say you orcus? Do you agree that BJ Penn, as shitty and overrated as you think he is, was better than the Pride lw's?
Or is that shitty organization they call Pride have better lightweights than the UFC did?
Pick your poison :)
I've said it on the boards and also directly to him, I think he contributes a lot of MMA knowledge and history to the boards, and is a generally good poster.
Unless it is a topic he is fanatical about, in which case he ends up attacking, discrediting or revising history about that topic.
i'm interested in seeing evidence of "discrediting or revising history"...
also, no one seemed to have a problem with Whistleblower spewing his nuthuggery of fedor when it was obvious his only agenda was to support the fedor arguement. anyone smart has noticed he completely disappeared the second fedor lost...
LOL at TeeArTeeTor
The skill & training for an MMA fighter has evolved greatly in the past 10 years.
Will the prime Pride fighter be trained in a 2013 training camp or will the prime UFC fighter fight under pride rules?
That being said....
Liddel vs Overeem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvUJPI9LtFs
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Sub PRIME mortgage vs. the PRIME directive...engage!!
"It's not semantics, it's facts. To ignore them is biased, period. I even said the out come would not change, but to pretend the facts don't exist is pure bias."
What thread was that?
And if you're so against "omitting important details" and think facts like Shogun being 30 and having a year layoff shouldn't be ignored and have to be included to avoid bias, then why do you not only keep silent when people blather about, say, Fedor beating Coleman without mentioning that he was 40, had only one fight in the previous 3 years (a miserable lay and pray of an unranked fighter), and had only one significant win in the 7 years since losing his way out of the UFC on 3 straight, but when *I* point out those "important details", you get all pissy and join the brigade of butthurt retards complaining about my efforts to "discredit" the win?
Tell me again about bias.