I'm starting a new thread because I'm feeling too lazy to look for the old one. :)
I have done a TINY bit of Sayoc training. I found it interesting. They were happy to answer questions about their training methods, and I saw aspects I liked right away and aspects I liked less. For me, that's par for the course.
Lately I've been thinking about making time to add a little of this to my training, just to help keep things fresh. Who has done some Sayoc/Atienza training, and what did you think of it? What do/did you like or dislike? Have you borrowed or interpreted their training methods for other things? Has it influenced your other areas of training?
Naturally, I believe the best thing is to experience it for oneself. But I have a little experience with it (and a lot of other FMA), and am curious about those who have gone farther into it than I. Thanks.
~Chris
*inspired by the Wing Chun thread :)
Calbert is the man you want to ask about this. He is an Inosanto Kali instructor, has trained significantly in Sayoc Kali, and is an Atienza Kali instructor and the head of their Georgia Training Group.
He credits me with his Kali skill, but I promise I have only shown him a fraction of what I know and don't feel comfortable claiming him as my student.
I started training in Atienza Kali recently. So far, I love it. It feels to me like the JKD of Kali, if that makes sense. They are very progressive and open-minded, and have a great deal of respect for 'alive' training and martial artists who come from a martial art with an 'aliveness' mentality. They also give a healthy dose of the reality based and scenario training material. Their stuff is pressure tested and it works. I'm having a lot of fun and meeting some great people.
Hello All,
I have trained quite abit with both groups for many years. What kind of questions do you have that I can help you with?
Gumagalang
Steve L.
www.Bujinkandojo.net
Hi Steve,
Great to see you on here.
I did a TINY bit of training with my local Sayoc instructors. I was taught the 3of9 R, tapping, the basic counters, 3of9 L, L defeats R, and turning 3of9 into a projectile template. We also took apart the template and drilled the attacks in random sequence (both as feeder and receiver). So with all that said, it's clear I'm a total Sayoc noob. :)
The BIG question I have is this: what is the progression of training methods in Sayoc?
I see (and value) that the early levels is cooperative and repetitive for memory mapping. I don't think I have ever seen a Sayoc clip that I would describe as "sparring" or "competitive" between the two partners. Does this exist? If it does, what is its place of value in the Sayoc community?
Thanks,
~Chris
ttt for this thread.
I'm thinking of joining a local Sayoc group here in Denver.
TTT for this thread.
I've wondered the same things as Twinkletoes. I bought the 30f9 template DVD a couple of years ago. The DVD that comes with the training knives.
I liked some of the things on the DVD, but the lack of "Aliveness" bothered me. I'm still interested in the system though because I'm interested in adding knife work to my MA training.
I would definately like some insight.
Hello All,
Sorry for the delayed response, I took a new job recently and I have been balls to the wall between that, Family, and training!
A very common complaint from people not directly training is that there seems to be a laak of aliveness in the drills practiced within Sayoc kali. As an introduction these drills and most drills from all arts are a teaching tool that is utilized to pass tools, tactics, and techniques on to students. They are considered a skeleton or framework from which a student can gain basic skill sets. Adding to the framework are additional tools, such as physical training methods, pain tolerence and mental/emotional response training, scenario based situational training and yes sparring, in its various forms.
When training with my direct students, we drill, we analyze real world attack situations, videos etc., and of course spar regularly! Each instructor within the Sayoc organization may approach this slightly differently, but the underlying premise is to always to teach students/practitioners practical knowledge that will allow them to be better prepared to survive a violent confrontation.
If you have more questions, please let me know and I'll help answer them.
Steve L.
www.Bujinkandojo.net
www.Sayoc.com