These are San Diego guys I think by then the Den was still a big name with only a couple real fighters in it. It was just a facade of the original Lodi OG LION’S DEN.
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Also,
Bob Shamrock paid for alot of room & board with the boys & the home & even had you for a employee.What was his occupation?
theres a bit of talk about bob shamrock being gay
and some wonder if he was interested in the young men he housed
frank said he was molested by 1 of the counselors there
So you believe that ken thought it would be a good idea to flop on his back from that position and go for an ankle, prone, with a prime rich franklin over him?
How about the Kimbo fight? Ken forget how to finish a rear naked choke on a flattened out opponent with both hooks in and half the choke on?
That is one goddamned tough group of dudes right there!
And this is why I never turned pro. I am mid forties and looking around at guys my age that stuck with it (even the bjj blackbelts) are all crippled and drunk and hopped up on pain pills just to manage their daily tasks. And all of them also have this in common: They are ALL broke.
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I would point you to my posts about both fights, and ask for a response.
In respect to Ken. No comment
My excuses for a man that once was a solid friend
I don’t know one lion’s den fighter that is even close to broke
He ran homes for delinquent boys
This thread delivers
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Not all of us 
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Ahh yes. But for every famous fighter there are 1,000 that are just as described. Carry on.
Btw, if i recall in Ken’s book his wife was banging one of his students (young boys). True? Did she carry on with more than one? unzips
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When it Comes to Tina my only comment is no comment
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No comment
I never speak for another man
No
Simply he got caught