Honestly I can’t stand wrestling unless it’s ground and pound it doesn’t feel right to me. Why would I be raising a dude when I could be standing puttin in work that requires over years dozens of surgeries. Maybe not morally and ethically correct but it’s my way. I hunt
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Thank you. What do you remember about Mike Burnett?
I have 1 Ken Shamrock story: he was at UFC 26 in Cedar Rapids when Alex Andrade was fighting (2000 maybe?). Ken and a couple guys were walking through the crowd. Bobby Hoffman said something to Ken, Ken looked like he was going to ignore him but walked maybe 2 steps and just flipped out, he tried to get at Hoffman in the crowd and they were separated.
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I have not.
If you get the chance and are interested… It’s a trip.
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I will check it out, thank you.
Just bought the kindle version.
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is this the latest one? https://www.amazon.com/Shamrock-Worlds-Most-Dangerous-Man/dp/1734945915
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Mikey was only there when I rejoined lion’s den I was injured with a blown shoulder so in the very little time I spent there I never spoke to him.he was just some little head shaved quiet dude in the corner. It’s too bad from what every fighter and just regular people told me he was a real upstanding, funny,hard as nails guy that I really would have had fun with going to war at the Den with everyday. Oh well missed out on one of the few bright spots that the Den maniacally made hard to remember what the last one even was because it had been so long ago. Ken and Hoffman thing is very basic. Bobby could throw some serious hands.tons of power. I think he beat Maurice. All the fighters knew that Bobby had some losses had been beat pretty dominantly before. But none of that mattered because when you fought Bobby wheather you won or he won. As fighters say" You knew for a fact that you had been in one hell of a fight". Guys respected his hands and power. So when Bobby bumped Ken. Ken walked far enough away from Bobby than magical changed his mind went into his little shtick that he does over and over and went at Bobby knowing damn well te crowd and everyone would hold him back.#1 he saves face by reacting #2 he doesn’t get his face smashed in,which was whole idea. Go through different tussle between Ken and whoever. It’s a ridiculous amount of times he does the exact same thing practiced to perfection. For me I find the whole thing when I see a tape or whatever very amusing cuz I’m like well 15yrs ago and today he stills does it right on que.
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Yes.
Well worth it IMO.
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You have said you won’t comment on Pancrase fight results, and that’s fine – won’t ask you to.
There is a general consensus (among those who pay attention to such things) that the only Pancrase fights Ken ““lost”” were works.
Based on what he was able to do to guys like Funaki and Bas – it is my understanding that the only way Pancrase could get Ken to lose (after having lost to Royce) – was to have him put a guy over. He was that dominant. Obviously Bas Rutten was the dominant Pancrase fighter after Ken – and Ken handled Bas without much trouble. And Ken being able to beat Funaki, and win the first KOP tournament while being fairly new to submissions – seems very impressive.
Then we have the first Severn fight, and Ken didn’t seem to break a sweat vs the bigger wrestler. Bein the king of the gym is one thing – but Ken had a long streak where he was never really in any real trouble in a fight (other than first Royce fight).
My question is:
What attributes did Ken have,in your observations, that allowed him rise to that level that quickly?
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Gunthug - What was it like walking around Japan? Where are the fans over there more fanatic? Did they all recognize you on the street.
It was very surreal. It wasn’t like here in the states where at walmart,macys,Walmart, bell or even at nice romantic dinners with my wife guys rolled up wanted an autograph and then talk at you for 20mins which usually Cimone cut them off and very lady like and being a absolutely stunning work of art. Asked them if they could let us enjoy our time together because we of Scott’s work we couldn’t be with each other as much as we wanted to. Tons of we’re sorry,we apologize Mrs.Bessac please forgive us for intruding on your time bye,lol. Japan everybody knew me but looked at me like at any second he’s gonna snap and kill us all,lol. I think cuz the average Japanese person is around 5’2 to 5’6 I’m 6’5ft and 285pds with 21in arms. So taller by a foot or more weighed at least double what most of them weighed had arms bigger than their thighs it for them was kinda like a kid looking at a tiger in a zoo. I know it’s a cat but why in God’s name is it that big.,lol.
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1- it’s unreal how overrated that guy is. It seems like everything he he ever said was completely wrong.
2- that rings so true. It’s something that I totally understand intuitively but it really helps to be reminded of . Much appreciated.
Follow up to my last question…
Before the submissions training in Japan, Ken was a guy who could wrestle, but came from a heavy street fighting background, and had success in toughman contests, and “underground” prize fights.
We saw glimpses of Ken’s “brawlability” later in he’s career when injuries were limiting his strategy. But during his first UFC run he leaned pretty heavily towards a submissions approach. Obviously, that approach yeilded high percentage results. And yeah, Ken was pounding on guys like Lenienger and Johnston. But why didn’t we see Ken just come out and try to take more guys heads off – like he had done on the street for so long?
It seems like he could have done anything he wanted to guys like Mitchell and Oleg – why not just mug a guy and end it early?? He could have avoided takedowns and busted Royce up more on the feet too IMO.He obviously had that ability.
We’re these things ever discussed?
On the flip side – when he was aggressively pounding on a guy kike Johnston, and taking too much time – why not switch it up and submit the obviously over-matched opponent?
lol that’s funny, I never even thought about it possibly being a put on, even with Ken’s pro wrestling experience.
To say there’s a common misconception on the definitions is an understatement. The terms have been miss used, overused and corrupted to all shit.
Imagine if he described himself as a psychopath instead of a sociopath. Most people here would probably immediately think " oh yeah , sure buddy, if you say so ".
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Yep.
Really makes sense of the anomalous career when you understand some of the chaos behind the scenes.
Also just very entertaining.
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I have seen Bobby Hoffman do the same thing. He did that fake beef/shove/push and followed up with pro wresting yelling and verbal exchanges at an event I was at. I was told by Mark Kerr that they were just trying to hype a possible future bout and it was fake. I could see why a lot of guys didn’t like Ken Shamrock, I’m sure the exchange with Bobby Hoffman was real. I also think Bobby Hoffman was probably a better streetfighter than prizefighter. There is a huge difference between the two.
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Bobby Hoffman was nice to me, but he pretty much seemed to be ready to snap at any time. I will leave it at that.
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How much of the Shamrock vs. Tank rivalry was real vs. fight promotion? That was a fight that was being hyped that never happened… too bad. Any bets on outcomes?
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