Skills wise, who is the HW GOAT?

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

NONE of the 4 you mentioned would even be mentioned in the same sentence from a technical orthodox aspect.

At least TRY yo earn your shill bucks.

You could’ve mentioned Kharitinov, except Nog beat him boxing.

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Prime Big Nog is my pick. Couldn't be KO'd, could submit you in ANY round, had very good boxing and didn't have any real disadvantages.

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Also got smoked by Fedor repeatedly. That was.part of his prime. He was beating anyone not named Fedor. He is #2 solid and not debateable imo. Fedor fought some cans, but also fought in the best HW division in the best promotion at that time. He beat Nog X3 and Cro Cop ane a bunch of wrestlers like Coleman and Randleman. He also beat his 2 UFC contemporaries shortly after Pride dissolved. Pure Resume and all around skills to me will always be Fedor at #1. DC if he stayed at HW would be easily the goat HW imo. He would beat anyone on the HW GOAT list. He did take out Mir, Barnett, and Bigfoot easily. About killed Stipe, but he just didn't stay there he left and most of his legacy is at LHW.

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

NONE of the 4 you mentioned would even be mentioned in the same sentence from a technical orthodox aspect.

At least TRY yo earn your shill bucks.

You could’ve mentioned Kharitinov, except Nog beat him boxing.

Lol at you keep saying nog beat kharitonov in boxing. Stop embarrassing yourself 

Sergei and nog had an mma fight where the boxing on the feet was VERY close because Sergei was worried about the takedown. Put them in a boxing match, no grappling and nog gets starched 

Also Sergei had like 8 fights on his record when he fought a freaking former heavyweight champ in nog with a ton of more experience 

You're grasping for straws because you're desperate to pump up fedors record to something that it is not 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

dentalninja - Werdum submitted Overeem, Cain, Fedor, and Nogueira. Didn't just beat them--SUBMITTED them. In MMA.

That is one hell of a resume, as any of the above could be the HW GOAT.

Also pimp slapped prime arlovski.  

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dentalninja - Werdum submitted Overeem, Cain, Fedor, and Nogueira. Didn't just beat them--SUBMITTED them. In MMA.

That is one hell of a resume, as any of the above could be the HW GOAT.

Also pimp slapped prime arlovski.  

And Ko’d Mark Hunt 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

NONE of the 4 you mentioned would even be mentioned in the same sentence from a technical orthodox aspect.

At least TRY yo earn your shill bucks.

You could’ve mentioned Kharitinov, except Nog beat him boxing.

Lol at you keep saying nog beat kharitonov in boxing. Stop embarrassing yourself 

Sergei and nog had an mma fight where the boxing on the feet was VERY close because Sergei was worried about the takedown. Put them in a boxing match, no grappling and nog gets starched 

Also Sergei had like 8 fights on his record when he fought a freaking former heavyweight champ in nog with a ton of more experience 

You're grasping for straws because you're desperate to pump up fedors record to something that it is not 

Your idiocy is amazing.

I didn’t “keep saying Nog beat Sergei standing”

I said it once, and he did.

And you’re discrediting Sergei now “because he only had 8 fights”

Cain has sloppy boxing.

If he wasn’t drinking hgh for his unmatched gastank he’d have half the wins he does. Head movement was notable, that’s it as far as boxing.

Stipe has decent boxing.

DC doesn’t, but doesn’t need it.

Mir was getting lit up by Nog.

Once you define a “prime” then you’re all over the map with excuses.

Ironically none are extended to Fedor.

Your anti-Fedor agenda is pathetic, and obvious.

All of these fighters and hundreds of others, including Silva, St.Pierre etc., and students of MMA as well as numerous publications have stated Fedor publicly as the most well-rounded HW mma fighter of all time.

Opinions vary and that’s fine, but discrediting every fighter on earth to taint another’s record leaves you with no one.

You might as well stop citing “The Underground” as a poor judge on the matter regarding Fedor.

The platform is the largest pro-UFC anti-everything else platform in the english language since the invention of the internet.

And unlike you I’d know, since I’ve been here since the invention of the internet.

Despite this, the majority of posters here can form comparably level-headed opinions without sounding like a Dana White mouthpiece because visually Fedor’s career is matter-of-fact.

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

NONE of the 4 you mentioned would even be mentioned in the same sentence from a technical orthodox aspect.

At least TRY yo earn your shill bucks.

You could’ve mentioned Kharitinov, except Nog beat him boxing.

Lol at you keep saying nog beat kharitonov in boxing. Stop embarrassing yourself 

Sergei and nog had an mma fight where the boxing on the feet was VERY close because Sergei was worried about the takedown. Put them in a boxing match, no grappling and nog gets starched 

Also Sergei had like 8 fights on his record when he fought a freaking former heavyweight champ in nog with a ton of more experience 

You’re grasping for straws because you’re desperate to pump up fedors record to something that it is not 

Your idiocy is amazing.

I didn’t "keep saying Nog beat Sergei standing"

I said it once, and he did.

And you’re discrediting Sergei now "because he only had 8 fights"

Cain has sloppy boxing.

If he wasn’t drinking hgh for his unmatched gastank he’d have half the wins he does. Head movement was notable, that’s it as far as boxing.

Stipe has decent boxing.

DC doesn’t, but doesn’t need it.

Mir was getting lit up by Nog.

Once you define a "prime" then you’re all over the map with excuses.

Ironically none are extended to Fedor.

Your anti-Fedor agenda is pathetic, and obvious.

All of these fighters and hundreds of others, including Silva, St.Pierre etc., and students of MMA as well as numerous publications have stated Fedor publicly as the most well-rounded HW mma fighter of all time.

Opinions vary and that’s fine, but discrediting every fighter on earth to taint another’s record leaves you with no one.

You might as well stop citing "The Underground" as a poor judge on the matter regarding Fedor.

The platform is the largest pro-UFC anti-everything else platform in the english language since the invention of the internet.

And unlike you I’d know, since I’ve been here since the invention of the internet.

Despite this, the majority of posters here can form comparably level-headed opinions without sounding like a Dana White mouthpiece because visually Fedor’s career is matter-of-fact.

"And you’re discrediting Sergei now "because he only had 8 fights""

Yep. So what? Big nog had 26 fights when he fought Sergei including fights against the very best. Sergei had 8 or 9 fights at the time. You don’t think that makes a huge difference? Big Nog had to rely on takedowns to beat Sergei. Sergei KOs any version of big nog in a straight up boxing match.

"Cain has sloppy boxing.

If he wasn’t drinking hgh for his unmatched gastank he’d have half the wins he does."

You’re accusing Cain of taking PEDs? Wtf is this based on? If you’re gonna make claims like that, then I say Fedor’s fights against Sonnen, Mir and probably several others were all fixed. How about that? At least I have some proof, you got nothing.

Mir finished Nog, the second time, Nog dropped mir because nog’s striking became more dangerous after he came to the UFC. That was my point all along. If Nog fought fedor in 2009, Nog drops fedor and finishes him with a sub guaranteed. You mad?

"All of these fighters and hundreds of others, including Silva, St.Pierre etc., and students of MMA as well as numerous publications have stated Fedor publicly as the most well-rounded HW mma fighter of all time."

Are they saying that now? It’s 2018 buddy. Fedor is partaking in fixed fights while GSP, Jones and Anderson are still fighting the very best.

I dont have a problem with Fedor, Im just calling out his fixed fights. I still consider him one of the best fighters to fight in history of course (best HW from 2003-2005/2006), but you can’t be the GOAT of MMA when you have fixed fights and when you lost key fights in your career while avoiding other big fights. You can’t handpick your opponents and be the GOAT. Don’t work like that buddy.

Keep hating the truth

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Best all around has to be Cain right? 

Great striking, wrestling and grappling mixed with a good chin, unstoppable Cardio and great fight iq. 

The fuck has cain done other than beat the same 3 people multiple times over his last few fights? Rogan has a hard on for him for some odd reason so you chimps just mimic it. Sad.

And he showcased all of his skills in those fights. He was even throwing spinning heel kicks against Travis Browne. 

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Lol.

Got caught arguing with the ‘fixed fights’ guy.

bows out disgracefully

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

sparkuri - Lol.

Got caught arguing with the ‘fixed fights’ guy.

bows out disgracefully

That’s what I thought. You don’t have shit to say son.

Lol got caught arguing with the Cain on steroids guy 

You’re a fedor nuthugger to the extreme level 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

You clearly have little eye for boxing or fighting if you think Nog was in better form from 2006-onwards than he was before

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

You clearly have little eye for boxing or fighting if you think Nog was in better form from 2006-onwards than he was before

Nog dropped Herman, couture, schaub and Mir  in the ufc. Werdum even admitted that nog tagged him with big shots in their second fight.

If his striking was so good in 2003/2004 then who did he drop before 2005? 

Nog improved his striking with blackhouse mma

Truth hurts but you'll get over it 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

You clearly have little eye for boxing or fighting if you think Nog was in better form from 2006-onwards than he was before

Nog dropped Herman, couture, schaub and Mir  in the ufc. Werdum even admitted that nog tagged him with big shots in their second fight.

If his striking was so good in 2003/2004 then who did he drop before 2005? 

Nog improved his striking with blackhouse mma

Truth hurts but you'll get over it 

HERMAN

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

You clearly have little eye for boxing or fighting if you think Nog was in better form from 2006-onwards than he was before

Nog dropped Herman, couture, schaub and Mir  in the ufc. Werdum even admitted that nog tagged him with big shots in their second fight.

If his striking was so good in 2003/2004 then who did he drop before 2005? 

Nog improved his striking with blackhouse mma

Truth hurts but you'll get over it 

HERMAN

Lol exactly. 

Once you get down to the details and the actual truth, none of these pride fedor elitist fanboys have anything to say. 

That's when they throw personal insults lmao.

PROPER WOOK.

chupecabre - An argument could be made for Werdum too I suppose.

When Werdum beat Cain he seemed unstoppable.  Crafty stand-up and arguably best jiu jitsu in the HW division 

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If Jones decided to compete at heavyweight then he would be the best heavyweight ever and would beat any heavyweight ever. 

But out of the fighters who have actually competed at heavyweight 

1. Fedor - outstruck CroCop and Hunt. Outgrappled Nog and multiple Olympic judoka and wrestlers 

2. Nog - Best jiu jitsu practitioner in HW history (outgrappled Werdum) along with amazing boxing, cardio, etc. 

3. Crocop - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD 

4. Overeem - World class kickboxer with impeccable TDD

5. Werdum - 2nd best BJJ practitioner in HW history with high level striking. Dangerous everywhere 

Honorable mention: Cain 

Amazing boxing? lol wow

Name a better pure boxer at HW before Nog, or even after.

Ill name four: dc, cain, stipe, frank mir during mir's prime

Also Nog didn't get really dangerous on the feet until after 2005/2006 or after Pride when he was training regularly with Blackhouse and anderson silva

In pride, he was a good technical boxer but unfortunately didn't have takedown defense or the ability to KO guys on the feet just yet

Nog peaked technically & athletically when he outboxed Kharitonov in 2004 and only ever knocked out complete glassjaws like Schaub anyway, he also never learned particularly great TDD because he didn't need it, it was antithetical to his style

Big Nog sure as hell could have used takedown defense against fedor especially in their last fight.

Kharitonov was green with only 9 mma fights when he fought nogueria and kharitonov also didn't have TDD when he fought big nog, so he was worried about the takedown which negated his striking and STILL made it very close on the feet.

Big Nog beat Sergei with takedowns, if the fight stayed on the feet the whole fight, sergei would have beaten him.

Big Nog's peak was not 2004, it was closer to 2006 to arguably 2009, when he became more dangerous on the feet and sat back on his punches to drop guys. He didn't start seriously training with blackhouse mma until he left pride, and that's what took him to the next level.

If you don't believe me, watch nog starting in 2009 when he was dropping guys left and right. His timing and power was on point then.

In Pride, Nogueria was younger yes with less mileage but much less dangerous on the feet with no takedown defense.

If Fedor fought big nog in 2009, fedor would have been dropped and probably submitted. Look at Big Nog's improved boxing against couture vs Fedor getting easily jabbed by rogers on the feet with his looping hooks.

Big Nog got blasted by right hand leads and lancing jabs in the 3rd fight as much as he got taken down. Takedowns were just Fedor's natural tactic following a clinch entry from the outside. Nog couldn't keep up with him either way. Nog's boxing got very tight in the tournament, he was outboxing Sergei, outjabbing him, drawing out his jab and coming back over with the right hand, very sharp stuff.

Nog was basically washed in 2009, Herring all but knocked him out in 2007, Sylvia dominated and dropped him before getting submitted, he was slowing, and was gaining nonfunctional weight (ie fat). He was 240+ by that time, he was 225 at his physical peak (2001-2004).

Nog's boxing looked good against Couture because Couture was smaller and was always hurt easily by bigger man, Nog is using the same 1-2-3's he was using against Heath Herring the first time, there's no identifiable technical overhaul you can reference other than "Couture got dropped".

Nog beat Sergei with takedowns in an mma fight. If you follow Sergei, you know that he takes shots in the beginning and stalks his opponent and finishes them with big shots a little later in the fight. He took a few more shots from nog than he needed to because he was inexperienced with 8 fights in MMA when they fought. And he was never hurt and still made it a competitive fight. 

Put nog and sergei in a boxing match where Sergei doenst have to worry about takedowns and nog gets finished

Lol at nog being washed up at age 32. Sylvia hit nog with good shots (that was prime Sylvia btw unless you want to take away from fedors win over Sylvia too), but what about cro cop? Wasn't cro cop dominating him too before he lost? Bob Sapp? That's nogs style. Nog was peaked towards the END of his pride days and early ufc days. His striking improved with blackhouse mma whether you want to admit it or not.

You just don't want to give Mir credit for being the first guy to actually finish him lmao.

Nogs timing technique and power all improved on the feet AFTER his last fedor fight. Sorry

Nog outboxed Sergei. He won in all areas. Rewatch the fight, kiddo.

The rest of your post is a desperate re-statement of your others where you don't actually say how he technically improved as he reached his mid-30's.

And Mir outboxed nog.

A guy with 26 fights made it a close fight on the feet against an 8-0 sergei at the time, had to resort to takedowns to win.

What are u trying to prove anyway? Mir finished big nog twice and his wins over nog were better than any of fedors wins over nog 

You clearly have little eye for boxing or fighting if you think Nog was in better form from 2006-onwards than he was before

Nog dropped Herman, couture, schaub and Mir  in the ufc. Werdum even admitted that nog tagged him with big shots in their second fight.

If his striking was so good in 2003/2004 then who did he drop before 2005? 

Nog improved his striking with blackhouse mma

Truth hurts but you'll get over it 

HERMAN

Lol exactly. 

Once you get down to the details and the actual truth, none of these pride fedor elitist fanboys have anything to say. 

That's when they throw personal insults lmao.

PROPER WOOK.

king u said HERMAN