are there any high percentage submissions from inside your opponents guard,or is it just easier to pass and work from sidemount
yes to both
There are a few "trick moves" but I would not describe them as "high percentage".
is this a serious question?
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ajl416az - is this a serious question?
yes, because i often find myself stuck in my opponents guard,and after i've rolled with a guy 3-4 times thing like the can opener don't work,it's hard to sink in an americana from in guard,i can force a head and arm triangle but i don't get the leverage effect like i want,or i could break guard and go for a heel hook or a kneebar but that could result in either getting mounted or getting my back taken, neither of those are something that i want to happen,and i've had to fight out of more than a few triangles because i was a little less-than-explosive with my guard passing
meatrokket - refers to submission101 channel
LOL...No!
Just pass
You have a limited amount of time with which to develop. Either you can use that time to work on the important things that matter most like posture and passing, or you can use that time for other things, like preventing your back from being taken after you've tried to go for an americana. It's your choice really.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexey-Oleinik-2027
this guy consistently gets the no-gi ezekiel choke from inside th guard in MMA
his last 8 fights, he won 7 be ezekiel
In a few years you will wish you could've re-thought creating this thread.... Put your time in doing Jiu-Jitsu the rest will work itself out.
Doing a submission from inside the guard on gassed japanese fighters with seemingly lacking ground skills does not count...
Titty Twister!
Rhymenoceros - Actually, I have a question about this.
Back in the day, before the OG existed, a lot of us posted on the MAWN forum on AOL. Mark Tripp, a judo coach and cousin of Ron Tripp (the guy who beat Rickson at Sambo), posted a technique he said was a guard killer. I tried it at the time with some friends, but haven't really thought of it since.
It's called a jaw lock, and it works like this: start in the "stalling position," ie, head down, hands in uke's armpits, and work your hands around behind uke's neck like you're going to do a can opener. Scoot the crown of your head up under the jaw of uke, and then with your hands clasped behind his neck, pull down and "look up" at the same time. The effect is that uke's jaw feels like it's going to break.
Any thoughts on this? I swear to god I'm not making this up. There was even a judo guy who claimed to beat a BJJ guy or two using this technique.
like a lot of other stuff, it would probably work. once.
not high %,body triangle sub.it happends at the 1:10 mark.
the peeing dog move.i know shamless promotion.
the peeing dog move.i know shamless promotion.
The only one I really go for is an eziekel. If you can get the head adn crowd the hip for a can opener then you can get it.
I use the version where you grip inside your own sleeve with 4 fingers so its hard get out of. ( The inferior version is where you grip the outside of the sleeve )
jcchaos09 - yes, because i often find myself stuck in my opponents guard,and after i've rolled with a guy 3-4 times thing like the can opener don't work,it's hard to sink in an americana from in guard,i can force a head and arm triangle but i don't get the leverage effect like i want,or i could break guard and go for a heel hook or a kneebar but that could result in either getting mounted or getting my back taken, neither of those are something that i want to happen,and i've had to fight out of more than a few triangles because i was a little less-than-explosive with my guard passing
The fact that you attempt americanas and arm triangles from within someone's guard lead me to believe that you don't fully understand the principles of leverage as it pertains to the guard position, much less the hierarchy. Although there are always exceptions to "rules" in BJJ, it's pretty much a given that submission percentage in this situation is in favor of whomever has the guard (in this case your opponent).
The fact that you also said "less-than-explosive" with your guard passing also leads me to believe that your guard passes rely on strength and great effort rather than technique as well.
Rather than ask for obscure, low percentage submissions, or play the leglock game where you are in just as much danger of being submitted as well, I also agree with the other posts advocating that you learn to break / pass guard well. Hope this helps!
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When guys try to tap me within my own guard with things like americanas and arm triangles, in my head I'm laughing at them and calling them a fucking idiot. It's a waste of time and energy. Just pass and then work your subs from better positions when you got the leverage to do so.
Leg locks are legit attacks though, like straight ankle locks.
Can openers are wack. Purposefully putting a neck crank on your training partner is a dick move. When guys do it to me, I'll open my guard and later let them no that's not a nice thing to do. If I open my guard and they still persist with it to get a tap, I start threatening that they're about to get punched in the face.
PASS THE GUARD!
the can opener is a the example of an unskilled opponents attempt to win a match when he can not pass the guard.
There are a number of submissions available from within the guard, but unless you have a significant advantage over your opponent (size,strenth,skill) I wouldn't call them high percentage.
Passing the guard isn't an easy skill either, for that matter, but once you've passed the guard you can get a strong position from which you can more safely attack your opponent.
Lautaro