I still hate his management. I think they have their own pockets to line and do not have his own best interests at heart. They've convinced him that this co-promotion crap is vital instead of doing what would be best for him imo.
DannyOcean - I still hate his management. I think they have their own pockets to line and do not have his own best interests at heart. They've convinced him that this co-promotion crap is vital instead of doing what would be best for him imo.
When it comes to that, I can see both sides of the argument. Obviously, what you say could be true, but then again, Fedor could just be trying to basically be a humanitarian here and pushing for that first big step in furthering the growth of WORLDWIDE MMA.
TheClips -alewaboy52 -
..i also believe fans have the right to question a champion who opts out for mediocratyas opposed to wanting to fight the best fighters in the world, and thats what seperates fedor from the others, he's pretty much made it clear that fighting the very best isnt his main concern like it is for lets say a anderson silva who goes out of his weight class to find a challenge or a brock lesnar who with little to no experience immediateley stepped in with the "big dogs"
He hasn't shown a DESIRE to want mediocre competition, it's just that's where he might end up. I mean, he called out Randy Couture during Couture's peak and when EVERYONE wanted to see Couture/Fedor.
But the dude is showing more balls against the UFC than any fighter in history and people want to hang him for it.
So he's gonna face what's billed as "inferior competition"; so he's gonna make less.
So what?
He's exercising his freedom of choice--saying no to a contract that doesn't meet his desire to co-promote--and he (the person it's going to affect the most) is willing to take what comes with that.
Yet these wish-washy fans are acting like he rape their sister, when he's truly set an example of being the kind of fighter that the world has been crying out for:
One who isn't afraid of saying no to the UFC.
i think in this case saying no to the ufc is a more cowardly move cause they have the only fighters who pose him any kind of threat, saying no was the easy way out and hes not the one who is co-promoting, in fact i do not believe out of the current major living mma orginizations there has ever been a fighter who co promoted a fight, he has no stake in m-1, they are the ones who want to co-promote, if anything hes using a demand on their behalf, which from a business aspect is completely out of the question, as an excuse to not sign
madmav - i dunno.. there's just something about asking for brett rogers to take a fight on 5 days notice and who was out of shape and had no training camp than fighting an undersize vitor..
Come on man it wasn't their choice, they must bow to the will of the Sherdog poll just like the rest of us. Don't insinuate that they'd turn down a fight with a fast, heavy-handed blackbelt with good wrestling who was prepared to fight because they'd rather fight a guy with no wrestling and no ground skills who had been sitting on his couch.
orcus -madmav - i dunno.. there's just something about asking for brett rogers to take a fight on 5 days notice and who was out of shape and had no training camp than fighting an undersize vitor..
Come on man it wasn't their choice, they must bow to the will of the Sherdog poll just like the rest of us. Don't insinuate that they'd turn down a fight with a fast, heavy-handed blackbelt with good wrestling who was prepared to fight because they'd rather fight a guy with no wrestling and no ground skills who had been sitting on his couch.
Vitor had a very good shot at beating fedor, a lot better than Josh "Extremely over-rated" Barnett. LOL at Fedors mgmt wanting to fight a guy that hasn't been training on 5 days notice.
ZZZzzzzz... wtf? fans could give a shit about the politics the fact is that fighters want to fight the best to prove how good they are... UFC is taking care of fedor to fight..
alewaboy52 -
i think in this case saying no to the ufc is a more cowardly move cause they have the only fighters who pose him any kind of threat, saying no was the easy way out and hes not the one who is co-promoting, in fact i do not believe out of the current major living mma orginizations there has ever been a fighter who co promoted a fight, he has no stake in m-1, they are the ones who want to co-promote, if anything hes using a demand on their behalf, which from a business aspect is completely out of the question, as an excuse to not sign
But why is it cowardly to stick to your guns while signing a contract? You're forgetting that Fedor facing "inferior" competition is just a side effect of him saying no to the UFC and their terms, not the motivation behind him saying no in the first place.
And from what I understand, Fedor IS a shareholder or some shit of M-1.
Well, Fedor called out Lesnar. And Lesnar called him out. Now we want to see it. We're fans.
g0d - Well, Fedor called out Lesnar. And Lesnar called him out. Now we want to see it. We're fans.
I wasn't aware he called out Lesnar...but if he did, it's only more proof that a fear of Lesnar had nothing to do with Fedor walking away...
TheClips - Why, if every pro-Zuffa person always contends that fighters "have a choice" to sign or not sign a contract with Zuffa, are people blowing so much shit at Fedor for exercising that choice?fuck you, Jerry Millen..
Is it because you're just butt-hurt you can't see your hero in the Octagon?
Or do you not respect that "choice" that you've been proclaiming and offering as your defense against anti-Zuffa arguments since day one?
LOL, you guys are so transparent and pathetic in your simultaneous teenaged-rebellion aimed at Fedor, and your infantile blind faith in your Daddy, Dana....
TheClips - Why, if every pro-Zuffa person always contends that fighters "have a choice" to sign or not sign a contract with Zuffa, are people blowing so much shit at Fedor for exercising that choice?fuck you, Jerry Millen.. twice
Is it because you're just butt-hurt you can't see your hero in the Octagon?
Or do you not respect that "choice" that you've been proclaiming and offering as your defense against anti-Zuffa arguments since day one?
LOL, you guys are so transparent and pathetic in your simultaneous teenaged-rebellion aimed at Fedor, and your infantile blind faith in your Daddy, Dana....
they are butthurt cause they cant accept Brock as their HW hero that's why they need Fedor in the UFC....LOL
TheClips - LOL, you guys are so transparent and pathetic in your simultaneous teenaged-rebellion aimed at Fedor, and your infantile blind faith in your Daddy, Dana....You could take the exact same sentence, change one word, faith to spite, and make just as good a case describing another good chunk of the UG. Can't you?
xcouturefan - Fedor fears Lesnar, deal with it
Lesnar has ZERO submissions, his Standup is horrible, so what is there to be feared? his wrestling and his ogre Size? LOL
TheClips -xcouturefan -TheClips -xcouturefan - Fedor fears Lesnar, deal with it
Such a sensible and logically sound take on things.
(Actually, it's quite the opposite. See, this is your OPINION, where what I say is the product of sound deductive reasoning)
But thanks for playing.
Fedor has a chance to sign with the UFC yet doesn't. In the past he's said participating in combat sambo was what held up getting a deal done.
Dana has said Fedor would be able to take part in combat sambo. Zuffa has offered Fedor more money than anyone else.
Fedor fears Lesnar.
Close, but no cigar. Here, try this one:
Fedor has said in the past that participating in combat sambo was PART OF what held up getting a deal done.
Dana has said Fedor would be able to take part in combat sambo. Zuffa has offered Fedor more money than anyone else. Fedor doesn't sign.
All of Fedor's desires have not been met.
If Dana offers co-promotion (Fedor's biggest demand) and Fedor says no, then and only then can you say that something else is going on under the surface.
A co-promotion is way out of the question. They are wanting to come in and steal half of the UFC's success with one fighter. They want to sign Fedor Emelianenko the fighter. They are not looking for a business partner. This would be like the NFL deciding to have a 50-50 partnership with the Canadian Football League so they could have one player come and play for them.
do some of you not see the difference between being afraid to fight top competition and not being able to because the ufc has monopolized many of them and requires you to fight on terms you aren't comfortable with?
super chin - do some of you not see the difference between being afraid to fight top competition and not being able to because the ufc has monopolized many of them and requires you to fight on terms you aren't comfortable with?Not sure how you get the UFC as a monopoly when it isn't, or why it being a monopoly would have anything to do with co-promotion, but yes, I understand. Doesn't mean I'd rather him make a different business decision any less than I would want a local NBA/NFL/MLB star to make the business decision to forgoe better free agent offers out of town.
i didn't say they were a monopoly. i said they monopolized many top heavyweights. their contracts are exclusive.
as a fan of fights, i often want fighters to go against their best interests. but i understand when they don't.