Why, if every pro-Zuffa person always contends that fighters "have a choice" to sign or not sign a contract with Zuffa, are people blowing so much shit at Fedor for exercising that choice?
Is it because you're just butt-hurt you can't see your hero in the Octagon?
Or do you not respect that "choice" that you've been proclaiming and offering as your defense against anti-Zuffa arguments since day one?
LOL, you guys are so transparent and pathetic in your simultaneous teenaged-rebellion aimed at Fedor, and your infantile blind faith in your Daddy, Dana....
Damn, 25 views and not a single attempted shotdown?
What's wrong, gentlemen? Hard to argue with the truth?
i believe everyone is upset cause hes gonna end up singing with strikeforce and end up fighting lesser competition and making way less, other than barnett there is no one outside of the us that sparks interest as far as a match up with fedor
I'll turn it around and just hope none of the tards applauding Fedor's choice are bitching a few months (or years) from now that Brock is 10x better paid, more popular, and more well-known than Fedor is. That's how it goes when you sign with the minor leagues. It's not everyone else's job to seek Fedor out for the privilege of watching him compete against lesser fighters.
alewaboy52 - i believe everyone is upset cause hes gonna end up singing with strikeforce and end up fighting lesser competition and making way less, other than barnett there is no one outside of the us that sparks interest as far as a match up with fedor
Yeah, but isn't that what people saying, "fighters have a choice to sign or not sign" would expect from a fighter not signing with the UFC?
And hasn't it always been FEDOR that people tune in to watch, regardless of who his opponent is?
I guarantee that EVERY (former) Fedor fan here has seen Hong Man Choi vs. Fedor or Lindland vs. Fedor, even though they weren't top competition.
Fedor is a draw in himself, and that's rare. And that's exactly why the UFC wanted him so bad and why everyone is crying so hard.
everyone just wants to see him in the octagon and it sucks that politics(not fedors's fear...lol idiots) are keeping him out right now
TheClips - Damn, 25 views and not a single attempted shotdown?
What's wrong, gentlemen? Hard to argue with the truth?
tired of arguing Fedor after thread #127 on the subject
xcouturefan - Fedor fears Lesnar, deal with it
Such a sensible and logically sound take on things.
(Actually, it's quite the opposite. See, this is your OPINION, where what I say is the product of sound deductive reasoning)
But thanks for playing.
Jeepster -TheClips - Damn, 25 views and not a single attempted shotdown?
What's wrong, gentlemen? Hard to argue with the truth?
tired of arguing Fedor after thread #127 on the subject
lol, I am a bit myself, but for some reason I just can't shut up about it!
TheClips -alewaboy52 - i believe everyone is upset cause hes gonna end up singing with strikeforce and end up fighting lesser competition and making way less, other than barnett there is no one outside of the us that sparks interest as far as a match up with fedor
Yeah, but isn't that what people saying, "fighters have a choice to sign or not sign" would expect from a fighter not signing with the UFC?
And hasn't it always been FEDOR that people tune in to watch, regardless of who his opponent is?
I guarantee that EVERY (former) Fedor fan here has seen Hong Man Choi vs. Fedor or Lindland vs. Fedor, even though they weren't top competition.
Fedor is a draw in himself, and that's rare. And that's exactly why the UFC wanted him so bad and why everyone is crying so hard.
thats one way to look at it, but there also comes a responsibility that comes with being the worlds best and billing yourself as that and using that as a negotiating chip its not like the other offers are even gonna come close theres just not enough pay per view money, and rightfully so considering the best fighter his next best option has been able to book was jake shields...i also believe fans have the right to question a champion who opts out for mediocratyas opposed to wanting to fight the best fighters in the world, and thats what seperates fedor from the others, he's pretty much made it clear that fighting the very best isnt his main concern like it is for lets say a anderson silva who goes out of his weight class to find a challenge or a brock lesnar who with little to no experience immediateley stepped in with the "big dogs"
It is what it is. Hope to see Fedor fight soon...
i dunno.. there's just something about asking for brett rogers to take a fight on 5 days notice and who was out of shape and had no training camp than fighting an undersize vitor..
xcouturefan -TheClips -xcouturefan - Fedor fears Lesnar, deal with it
Such a sensible and logically sound take on things.
(Actually, it's quite the opposite. See, this is your OPINION, where what I say is the product of sound deductive reasoning)
But thanks for playing.
Fedor has a chance to sign with the UFC yet doesn't. In the past he's said participating in combat sambo was what held up getting a deal done.
Dana has said Fedor would be able to take part in combat sambo. Zuffa has offered Fedor more money than anyone else.
Fedor fears Lesnar.
Close, but no cigar. Here, try this one:
Fedor has said in the past that participating in combat sambo was PART OF what held up getting a deal done.
Dana has said Fedor would be able to take part in combat sambo. Zuffa has offered Fedor more money than anyone else. Fedor doesn't sign.
All of Fedor's desires have not been met.
If Dana offers co-promotion (Fedor's biggest demand) and Fedor says no, then and only then can you say that something else is going on under the surface.
alewaboy52 -
..i also believe fans have the right to question a champion who opts out for mediocratyas opposed to wanting to fight the best fighters in the world, and thats what seperates fedor from the others, he's pretty much made it clear that fighting the very best isnt his main concern like it is for lets say a anderson silva who goes out of his weight class to find a challenge or a brock lesnar who with little to no experience immediateley stepped in with the "big dogs"
He hasn't shown a DESIRE to want mediocre competition, it's just that's where he might end up. I mean, he called out Randy Couture during Couture's peak and when EVERYONE wanted to see Couture/Fedor.
But the dude is showing more balls against the UFC than any fighter in history and people want to hang him for it.
So he's gonna face what's billed as "inferior competition"; so he's gonna make less.
So what?
He's exercising his freedom of choice--saying no to a contract that doesn't meet his desire to co-promote--and he (the person it's going to affect the most) is willing to take what comes with that.
Yet these wish-washy fans are acting like he rape their sister, when he's truly set an example of being the kind of fighter that the world has been crying out for:
One who isn't afraid of saying no to the UFC.
xcouturefan - So he's gonna face what's billed as "inferior competition"; so he's gonna make less.
So what? -The Clips
Then don't call yourself the "Baddest Man Alive" and world's best fighter.
Admit your a puppet of the Russian mob and have no interest in fighting the best competition.
Nooooo, see, he's not handpicking these motherfuckers, it's just the by-product of him showing his balls to the world and saying no to the UFC and living with the consequences.
If he was afraid of UFC fighters then why the fuck was he even wasting time talking to the UFC on more than one occasion for the past two years??? Why did he say he wanted to fight Randy Couture when he was at least seemingly in his prime and fans were calling out for it with all their might?
You've got a seriously delusional way of contorting reality to fit what your emotions tell you is real.
And by the way, the last I heard, it was Fedor's FANS calling him the baddest man on the planet, not Fedor himself.
xcouturefan - You've got a seriously delusional way of contorting reality to fit what your emotions tell you is real. -TheClips
Nice job of projecting your own feelings onto someone else.
lol, nice try googling some psychological terms to try and combat my intellectual owning of your arguments.
I've shot down everything you've said and it's clear I'm seeing shit for what it is, and not based off of what I'm feeling about not seeing Fedor in the Octagon.
TheClips - Why, if every pro-Zuffa person always contends that fighters "have a choice" to sign or not sign a contract with Zuffa, are people blowing so much shit at Fedor for exercising that choice?
Is it because you're just butt-hurt you can't see your hero in the Octagon?
Or do you not respect that "choice" that you've been proclaiming and offering as your defense against anti-Zuffa arguments since day one?
LOL, you guys are so transparent and pathetic in your simultaneous teenaged-rebellion aimed at Fedor, and your infantile blind faith in your Daddy, Dana....
I think most people went through the following stages, which accurately reflected my mood.
First, anger. Basically I wanted Fedor in the UFC so badly. Because I am a huge fan and it would be huge for the sport, get mainstream attention, etc. I really hoped it would happen. When it didn't, and then I saw what he had been offered, I was angry. I couldn't believe he would turn all of that down on the stupid co-promotion crap.
Having had a few days, I'm more relaxed about it. I think what he did was stupid, but it was his choice to make and not mine. It's like if you have a favorite actor who turns down a movie role you think is amazing for a movie you think will suck. You can disagree with the decision without hating the actor.
That's where I am at right now. I want Fedor in the UFC because it'll get him the most money, the best competition, and be best for the fans. But ultimately, if he wants to pursue the co-promotion thing it's his choice to value that really, really highly. I just think it's a stupid choice, but I'll still watch his fights (no freakshows) because he's still a great fighter.
Does that kind of explain it well? I tried to give a very serious, thought-out answer.
DannyOcean -
I think most people went through the following stages, which accurately reflected my mood.
First, anger. Basically I wanted Fedor in the UFC so badly. Because I am a huge fan and it would be huge for the sport, get mainstream attention, etc. I really hoped it would happen. When it didn't, and then I saw what he had been offered, I was angry. I couldn't believe he would turn all of that down on the stupid co-promotion crap.
Having had a few days, I'm more relaxed about it. I think what he did was stupid, but it was his choice to make and not mine. It's like if you have a favorite actor who turns down a movie role you think is amazing for a movie you think will suck. You can disagree with the decision without hating the actor.
That's where I am at right now. I want Fedor in the UFC because it'll get him the most money, the best competition, and be best for the fans. But ultimately, if he wants to pursue the co-promotion thing it's his choice to value that really, really highly. I just think it's a stupid choice, but I'll still watch his fights (no freakshows) because he's still a great fighter.
Does that kind of explain it well? I tried to give a very serious, thought-out answer.
No, that's a very good explanation and I appreciate you putting thought into it.
Basically, it seems that very emotional fans are just going through some or all of the classic stages of grief.
And I personally find it pathetic that people are putting Fedor through the ringer simply because they are mad that they won't see the man they now apparently hate, in the Octagon. It's just full of nonsense.
And it's even MORE silly that Fedor is standing up to the UFC--something that most fans have hoped for at one time or another--and no one is seeing that for what it's worth.
xcouturefan -TheClips - And by the way, the last I heard, it was Fedor's FANS calling him the baddest man on the planet, not Fedor himself.
He had a hype show on fox sports that was an hour long, it was called "The Baddest Man On the Planet"
His management who represents him has said this many times.
So by management you mean "Fedor himself," like I put in my post, or "Fedor's management"?
And fucking Bas Rutten, Frank Trigg and dozens of other respected men in MMA have ascribed him the same, or similar, status.
Yet we're denying ALLLLLL of this, simply because a fucking deal didn't go through? A non-negotiated deal means all of his accomplishments, skills and performances go out the window? It means he's scared?
Do you see what I'm saying? You're not making any sense and you're thinking with your heart, not your head.