So last year I had my "test" checked. Came back at about 150. The Doc asked me how in the world I got out of bed in the morning, which, incidentally is very hard for me to do. I was 38 and, NON FIGHTER Btw, 6ft1, 235 lbs, not a slob but need to loose a few pounds. He said the 'NORMAL LOW" is around 300. I guess "normal" for my age is between 300-600.
SO, I took the test for a few months and my number went up to 375. I felt insanely good. Very energetic, easy to get up in the morning, REALLY look forward to working out in the gym, experienced a little bit of "rage" one time but recognized it and kept my cool.
NOW....
Does anyone have an idea what "range" the fighters who use TRT are using. As someone who used it, it definatley helps you in lots of areas in life, mood, attitude, enthusiasm, etc and also I have to say it DID give me, I guess more energy in the gym that helped me push through some reps that I may have stopped before.
Anyone know? I mean, if my number was 600.. WOW... That is like Incredible Hulk status for me..lol..
Btw, I am for TRT... just not abusing it obviously..lol
Not sure if it works exactly like this but with an allowable T/E ratio of 6:1 meaning you have 6 times as much synthetic Test as natural Test, and your natural levels are 'low' at 300ng/ml, then they could have a level of 1800ng/ml and still pass a piss test. Right?
Man, lol, I am not sure. I just understand what the DOC told me. We never went over T/E ratio's like you mentioned.
Thanks for your input, im just not that educated on it, BUT, I know that raising my low levels to a "normal low" range did wonders for me. I can't imagine if my numbers went up to the Normal High range of say, 600, that would be mindblowing, at least for me.
Here comes some noobquestion but hey wth if u never ask..
Are you taking the test via injection in muscle?
Are you experiencing some of the side effects as people do when taking test for perforamnce enhancing such as bloatness, back-acne, etc?
Are you on trt now and will you forever be?(if things stays good that is)
Tad Ghostal - Not sure if it works exactly like this but with an allowable T/E ratio of 6:1 meaning you have 6 times as much synthetic Test as natural Test, and your natural levels are 'low' at 300ng/ml, then they could have a level of 1800ng/ml and still pass a piss test. Right?Sorry no it does not work like this at all. T:E does not in any way show how much testosterone they are injecting or what their levels are. It merely shows the presence of synthetic test. Like I said before a NFL player took a mma fight and had a ratio of 80:1....he did not inject 80 vials of test that week lol.
At Karl Olsson.
No, I got Testopel,not in the muscle but ass cheeks lol.
No on the side effects you listed. DID notice a day or two of kind of aggressiveness, more than normal. Kind of a chill guy.
Was only on it for about 4 months.
I will go back on because the quality of life was amazing. I was able to wake right up in the morning, energetic.. Plus, the wife and I were pulling 2 a days..hahahah
Caught_clean -Tad Ghostal - Not sure if it works exactly like this but with an allowable T/E ratio of 6:1 meaning you have 6 times as much synthetic Test as natural Test, and your natural levels are 'low' at 300ng/ml, then they could have a level of 1800ng/ml and still pass a piss test. Right?Sorry no it does not work like this at all. T:E does not in any way show how much testosterone they are injecting or what their levels are. It merely shows the presence of synthetic test. Like I said before a NFL player took a mma fight and had a ratio of 80:1....he did not inject 80 vials of test that week lol.
Did a quick google and the reason the T:E ratio is used is because nearly every man produces both in equal numbers, however, ingesting synthetic Testosterone lowers EpiT as well as raising T. So whilst someone with a 6:1 ratio could have 6X as much T, they could also have 1.0001X as much T.
Epitestosterone is of great interest in the field of doping control because it is the denominator in the testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) 1 ratio, an indirect marker of testosterone (T) administration. When testosterone is administered, the excretion rate of urinary testosterone increases, the excretion rate of epitestosterone declines (6), and the T/E ratio increases. An increased T/E ratio is also an indirect marker of androstenedione and dehydroepiandrosterone administration (7)(8). If the T/E ratio exceeds 6, doping control laboratories report the case to the sport authorities, who conduct an investigation of the cause of the increased T/E ratio (9).
One technique for circumventing the T/E test is to self-administer epitestosterone (10). Athletes who administer testosterone and therefore have an increased T/E ratio have been reported to administer epitestosterone to rapidly lower the T/E ratio. To thwart this activity, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) classifies epitestosterone as a urine-manipulating agent, and laboratories are required to report cases if the urine epitestosterone concentration exceeds 200 ?g/L (693 nmol/L). However, unless the urine epitestosterone is exceedingly increased [>1000 ?g/L (3467 nmol/L)], it has been difficult to prove in an administrative hearing that epitestosterone has been administered. In part this is attributable to the wide range in concentrations of urinary steroids (11).
http://www.clinchem.org/content/48/4/629.long#ref-6
Cheers for answers man and good luck :)
OP's was very abnormally low. As a general rule, however, taking them in your 30's and 40's means you were a heavy and consistent juicer. No way mma would have this disproportionately high crop of low T participants. So the overwhelming likelihood statistically is that the main event Saturday was between two long term, heavy steroid users.
What people don't realize yet (but this next generation will) is that test takebn at an older age or someone who has low test. It will give you MUCH better quality of life and longevity (IMO)and with exercise and TRT men will live longer and real quality lives.
When test gets low is what kills us. We are dying and the low test attributes to most problems men experience like low muscle, pot belly,they lose their ass and shoulder muscle. Their backs get still and are unable to bend or squat. ect. Just the amazing health benefits of energy, excersing at a higher level, libido ect will keep men healther and live longer alone.
Last week's headline on the topic.
Testosterone replacement drugs, a $1.6 billion market for AbbVie Inc., Eli Lilly (LLY) & Co. and others, boosted the odds of having a heart attack, stroke or dying by 29 percent in one of the first studies weighing the therapies’ cardiovascular risk.
Researchers assessed data from 8,709 men treated in the U.S. Veterans Affairs health system. While the study didn’t identify reasons for the increased risk, testosterone worsens sleep apnea and affects blood platelets, linked to atherosclerosis and coronary plaque.
I also have a question if someone could help me?
I am going to see a doctor at an anti aging clinic this week to request some tests.
Do hormone level tests need to be performed under specific conditons? Like time of day? Or after fasting?
Because I've heard that hormone levels fluctuate quite a lot throughout the day. 
drmmr - So last year I had my "test" checked. Came back at about 150. The Doc asked me how in the world I got out of bed in the morning, which, incidentally is very hard for me to do. I was 38 and, NON FIGHTER Btw, 6ft1, 235 lbs, not a slob but need to loose a few pounds. He said the 'NORMAL LOW" is around 300. I guess "normal" for my age is between 300-600.600 isn't hulk status. I've anywhere between 800-890 when tested completely natural and have used steroids before. Been about 2 years. 300-600 is a modest range to not make you feel bad about yourself. Some people are at 1000 naturally. While on I took a test that didn't go over 2000 and came back ah >2000. That's a good feeling. 750mg a week
SO, I took the test for a few months and my number went up to 375. I felt insanely good. Very energetic, easy to get up in the morning, REALLY look forward to working out in the gym, experienced a little bit of "rage" one time but recognized it and kept my cool.
NOW....
Does anyone have an idea what "range" the fighters who use TRT are using. As someone who used it, it definatley helps you in lots of areas in life, mood, attitude, enthusiasm, etc and also I have to say it DID give me, I guess more energy in the gym that helped me push through some reps that I may have stopped before.
Anyone know? I mean, if my number was 600.. WOW... That is like Incredible Hulk status for me..lol..
Btw, I am for TRT... just not abusing it obviously..lol
RocketsRedglare - OP's was very abnormally low. As a general rule, however, taking them in your 30's and 40's means you were a heavy and consistent juicer. No way mma would have this disproportionately high crop of low T participants. So the overwhelming likelihood statistically is that the main event Saturday was between two long term, heavy steroid users.Cutting weight and getting punched in the head is medically proven to cause hormone problems. It's popping up to be a problem with ex wrestlers. One of my wrestling coaches found out he has low T in his 30's. He is a super healthy dude and always exercising. But he cut a ton of weight from grade school through college. He's only like 140 lbs walk around weight and was like 119 in he and 125 in College. If he got into mma this forum would say he has low T because or rousing. When the dude doesn't even supplement protein shakes.
Vikingknee -Roiding*RocketsRedglare - OP's was very abnormally low. As a general rule, however, taking them in your 30's and 40's means you were a heavy and consistent juicer. No way mma would have this disproportionately high crop of low T participants. So the overwhelming likelihood statistically is that the main event Saturday was between two long term, heavy steroid users.Cutting weight and getting punched in the head is medically proven to cause hormone problems. It's popping up to be a problem with ex wrestlers. One of my wrestling coaches found out he has low T in his 30's. He is a super healthy dude and always exercising. But he cut a ton of weight from grade school through college. He's only like 140 lbs walk around weight and was like 119 in he and 125 in College. If he got into mma this forum would say he has low T because or rousing. When the dude doesn't even supplement protein shakes.
In for answer. I think a lot of the controversy over TRT is the unclarity over the specifics of the "normal range."
What is the normal range and where does the average person, or better yet the average fighter fall?
Just got mine back an hour ago. If anyone could interpret I would appreciate. I'm 44.
661 Total(LC/MS/MS) 250 - 1100 ng/dl
77.0 Free 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml
staygreenponyboy - Just got mine back an hour ago. If anyone could interpret I would appreciate. I'm 44.I have terrible news, you are right in the healthy normal range. 600 is solid for 40.
661 Total(LC/MS/MS) 250 - 1100 ng/dl
77.0 Free 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml
Caught_clean -staygreenponyboy - Just got mine back an hour ago. If anyone could interpret I would appreciate. I'm 44.I have terrible news, you are right in the healthy normal range. 600 is solid for 40.
661 Total(LC/MS/MS) 250 - 1100 ng/dl
77.0 Free 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml
Crap... so go back later in the day after eating a bunch of soy?
And VU thanks!
Viking, rousing was a Freudian slip perhaps.