Lots of Hate on GSP and Fitch for not finishing opponents but anyone look at who they fight and compare it to the so called guys the finishers fight?
I mean I have only seen BJ Penn stopped once by Matt Hughes, and that was when he popped a rib, the other time they fought Hughes got dominated. GSP Stopped Penn but didn't put him away Boooo him, he's boring. Jon Fitch fought him to a draw boooo him. So show me who the other fighters to put Penn away are please?
Show me all the highlights where Penn gets submitted. The 205 former LHW champ Machida couldn't KO Penn, he dropped Evans tho, Frankie Edgar got two wins on Penn didn't see a finish, I'll assume he's equally as boring to watch.
Jake Shields is a ceasar gracie Blackbelt. He got stopped once back in 2000. Dan Henderson Dropped Fedor, couldn't drop Shields. But GSP couldn't KO or submit Shields, we should be giving the 170 crown to the guys who pound Shields into the pavement I'm sure their out there right?
They are probably the same guys who go in and take strikers like Thiago Alves and finish him off as well....I see he was stopped once in 26 fights by TKO...yup Jon Fitch did it. Alves is surely a much more dominant fighter and finisher then Jon Fitch no?
Josh Koscheck got dropped once too...he's only lost 5 fights himself! (2 to GSP and 1 to Alves). His striking is apparently a lot better then GSP's, in fact I read GSP is afraid of him on the UG, thats why he was able to get inside that Jab so effectively and go 0-2 in against the champ.
Nick Diaz is soon to face GSP, looking at Diaz's record I'm, sure GSP will KO im with a jab or Submit him easily right?
Truth is Alves Koscheck Penn get finishes on a lot of GOOD but not great fighters. They choke and drop the ball in the big fights.
GSP and Fitch havent had the luxury of fighting John Goulet's, Jeff Josilin's, or Alessio's in a longtime.
I've seen other powerful fighters like Paul Daley and Anthony Johnson fail to put Koschek away, I haven't seen Shields, Fitch or Diaz finished in forever. Likewise for Penn.
So if Fitch and GSP Suck so much for being so boring, can someone show me the guys who can take fights against Alves, Diaz, Shields, Fitch, Koschek and KO them or submit them?
It seems its not worth the money to watch the top two guys at 170, Can someone who me who is worth watching?
No one has finished Penn, Fitch or Shields. Kos got caught by Paolo and Hardy's gone on a bender. While GSP didn't finish any of them (Penn aside), he still thoroughly destroyed all of them.
I thought GSP came pretty close to submitting Hardy and he definately put the effort in, it was entertaining and not a lay and pray victory
I also thought GSP has come closer to finishing Fitch then anyone else and dropped him a few times in that fight.
He also knocked Alves down
Yet everyone hates on the two of them when they fight to decisions.
Koscheck, Alves, Penn Shields all dropped the ball in their title shots or fights against fitch and have gone a collective 0-5-1 against them both. I'm waiting for the haters to give me a welterweight who could do better.
If anything Thats 6 fights where Koscheck, Alves Shields and Penn all failed to do anything aside get their asses kicked
Yeah people love to knock GSP but nobody's finishing any of those guys, let alone beating them.
Likewise for Fitch...
he's the only guy to Stop Alves, fought penn to a draw.
Like to see Fitch vs Koscheck, I dont think Hughes would have any answer for him.
I consider quitting between rounds to be the same as tapping.
Vitor is hard to finish, Okami is hard to finish, shogun is hard to finish, etc.. great fighters are supposed to be able to do what average fighters can't. You can't use the "most everybody else can't finish them either" excuse because GSP isn;t an average fighter and more is expected ouf of him.
Dean of Lean -Dan Henderson Dropped Fedor, couldn't drop Shields.
You should actually try watching the fights instead of just commenting on records. Another thing is if you are going to write something so long and pointless, at least proofread it.
Freeman Dyson - Vitor is hard to finish, Okami is hard to finish, shogun is hard to finish, etc.. great fighters are supposed to be able to do what average fighters can't. You can't use the "most everybody else can't finish them either" excuse because GSP isn;t an average fighter and more is expected ouf of him.
So fighting better competition has nothing to do with it?
Dean of Lean - Lots of Hate on GSP and Fitch for not finishing opponents but anyone look at who they fight and compare it to the so called guys the finishers fight?
It seems its not worth the money to watch the top two guys at 170, Can someone who me who is worth watching?
The first and last sentence are why you should proofread. Not only does the context of your post make you sound ignorant, but grammatically it reads as if you went full retard.
Holy fuckin' FRAT, but I stopped reading after you typed hendo couldn't drop shields. You sir, fucked up. 
Freeman Dyson - Vitor is hard to finish, Okami is hard to finish, shogun is hard to finish, etc.. great fighters are supposed to be able to do what average fighters can't. You can't use the "most everybody else can't finish them either" excuse because GSP isn;t an average fighter and more is expected ouf of him.
Belfort however is 2:1 in wins losses, been Knocked out three times and submitted once, he's also been caught juicing.
Okami finishes a lower % of his fights then GSP against weaker competition, isn't a champion, and in my books ins't in the same calibre of fighting. If Anderson didn't have a DQ loss to him he wouldn't have gotten a rematch, and Anderson throughly dominated him in the first fight, the second one was almost pointless. Okami has also been Knocked out twice, three times if you count the upkick.
Shogun fought the majority of his fights in Pride where he was allowed to stomp and kick downed opponents. Surely that makes him a much deadlier fighter then a guy who isn't allowed those same means of disposal. In the UFC Shogun has gone 4-3 and been finished twice himself.
Doc T - Holy fuckin' FRAT, but I stopped reading after you typed hendo couldn't drop shields. You sir, fucked up. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Dropped but didn't finish. Hendo did to Shields what GSP did, drop him but didn't finish him.
studiocamp -Dean of Lean - Lots of Hate on GSP and Fitch for not finishing opponents but anyone look at who they fight and compare it to the so called guys the finishers fight?
It seems its not worth the money to watch the top two guys at 170, Can someone who me who is worth watching?
The first and last sentence are why you should proofread. Not only does the context of your post make you sound ignorant, but grammatically it reads as if you went full retard.
True, I may never come back :(
sorry for the typos didn't mean to come across as arrogant and yes I should have used finish instead of the word drop.
My Point is that GSP and Fitch fight incredibly tough competition, who throughout their collective careers have only been TKO'ed/KO'ed 5-6 times in 100 fights.
Its almost silly to think GSP or Fitch are gonna KO these guys. Everyone knows they aren't power punchers and on the otherside of the coin, they are all incredibly skilled grapplers.
I don't know what People watch GSP or Fitch to do, just stand and trade punches with someone like Koschek or Alves for your amusement? That approach makes you exciting but it also makes you punch drunk like Wand and cuts your career span down.
I'll admit it GSP doesn't have Anderson's head movement to stand in the pocket and let someone swing at him, Anderson is a special talent in his own, he also fights in a weaker division however. I don't think guys like Okami, Leites or Maia ever presented a Serious threat to him.
Maia and Leites have great BJJ but lack the takedowns that a guy Like Shields has
Dean of Lean -Well, let;s look at GSP's recent opponents.Jake Shields-hasn't finished a fight in years. Dan Hardy-Never beat a top fighter, GSP couldnt finish him, but Condit and Lytle could. Has lost 4 in a row. Alves, 1-3 in his last 4. That win over an unranked opponent. BJ Penn: LW, not ranked at WW. Not that impressive overall.Freeman Dyson - Vitor is hard to finish, Okami is hard to finish, shogun is hard to finish, etc.. great fighters are supposed to be able to do what average fighters can't. You can't use the "most everybody else can't finish them either" excuse because GSP isn;t an average fighter and more is expected ouf of him.
Belfort however is 2:1 in wins losses, been Knocked out three times and submitted once, he's also been caught juicing.
Okami finishes a lower % of his fights then GSP against weaker competition, isn't a champion, and in my books ins't in the same calibre of fighting. If Anderson didn't have a DQ loss to him he wouldn't have gotten a rematch, and Anderson throughly dominated him in the first fight, the second one was almost pointless. Okami has also been Knocked out twice, three times if you count the upkick.
Shogun fought the majority of his fights in Pride where he was allowed to stomp and kick downed opponents. Surely that makes him a much deadlier fighter then a guy who isn't allowed those same means of disposal. In the UFC Shogun has gone 4-3 and been finished twice himself.
Shields finished lawler in 2009 the end of a 4 submission streak for him. He had a crappy fight against Kampman off bad weight cut. wasn't a fan of the miller fight I agree. That said we make a big deal of Anderson beating Okami....
Shields beat Okami and Condit in the same night.
Dan Hardy didn't deserve his shot IMO, GSP maybe shoulda finished him his submissions were a lil off. 4 in a row losses, didn't start until he lost to GSP. He was unbeaten going in.
Thiago Alves is 1-3 in his last 4 true but that's like saying Brett Rogers shouldn't have lost to Fedor who is 0-3...When Alves fought GSP he had beaten down Koscheck and KO'ed Hughes and Karo.
BJ Penn Not ranked at WW Agreed got stopped. So if GSP fights Anderson and Anderson KO's him I will get to say GSP is not ranked as a MW?
Holding post fight records against someone is retarded.
I can say Royce Gracie Vs Ken Shamrock was a stupid fight given Shamrock's recent record, that's not indicative of their records at fight time.
I mean Forrest Griffin is only 2-3 lately, Damian Maia likewise hasn;t finished a fight since 2009 same as Shields, Yushin Okami's last stoppage was in 2006 against Kalib Starnes (Congratz at least he caught up to the running man!)
If you want you can argue that:
Okami - Sonnen - Belfort - Maia
Is THAT much tougher then going through
Shields - Hardy - Koscheck - Penn but I think the end of the day it comes out in the wash.
GSP has more ranked WW's under his belt then Anderson has MW's
Penn and Hughes were also ranked P4P whatever that is worth when GSP beat them
Dark Ryase - No one has finished Penn
Hughes, GSP.
Freeman Dyson -Dean of Lean -Well, let;s look at GSP's recent opponents.Jake Shields-hasn't finished a fight in years. Dan Hardy-Never beat a top fighter, GSP couldnt finish him, but Condit and Lytle could. Has lost 4 in a row. Alves, 1-3 in his last 4. That win over an unranked opponent. BJ Penn: LW, not ranked at WW. Not that impressive overall.Freeman Dyson - Vitor is hard to finish, Okami is hard to finish, shogun is hard to finish, etc.. great fighters are supposed to be able to do what average fighters can't. You can't use the "most everybody else can't finish them either" excuse because GSP isn;t an average fighter and more is expected ouf of him.
Belfort however is 2:1 in wins losses, been Knocked out three times and submitted once, he's also been caught juicing.
Okami finishes a lower % of his fights then GSP against weaker competition, isn't a champion, and in my books ins't in the same calibre of fighting. If Anderson didn't have a DQ loss to him he wouldn't have gotten a rematch, and Anderson throughly dominated him in the first fight, the second one was almost pointless. Okami has also been Knocked out twice, three times if you count the upkick.
Shogun fought the majority of his fights in Pride where he was allowed to stomp and kick downed opponents. Surely that makes him a much deadlier fighter then a guy who isn't allowed those same means of disposal. In the UFC Shogun has gone 4-3 and been finished twice himself.
Alves was in a 7 fight win streak when he fought GSP and hardy beat a top 10 ww in swick at the time