What are these punches?

Please explain what these punches are?

Kid McCoy's Corkscrew Punch,

Floyd Patterson's Kangaroo Punch,

George Carpentier's Waltz Punch.

Thanks.

Scuffler coming through with some vintage material.

Good post Mark.

thanks scuffler.

That was the punch Kindelan Khan was using in the 2004 olympics to great effect against Amir Khan.

He was getting an angle and spinning into it and was very successful against the very speedy Amir with it.

lol @ slick

Kangaroo punch = jumping/lunging left hook.

I guess the call the Kangaroo punch a "Check Hook" these days.

Donkey punch is when you got a girl doggy style and hook the
ribs...lol.

Rod, you got the donky punch waaay wrong. It is far more brutal and glorious than that.

The Kangaroo punch is not the same as the check hook. Floyd Patterson had a punch called the "Kangaroo Punch" which was a powerful, fast leaping left hook from a crouch.

The check hook is taught by Roy Jones Sr. and is a left hook over a drawn right hand or a left hook over a drawn southpaw jab.

"The check hook is taught by Roy Jones Sr. and is a left hook over a drawn right hand "

Thanks. Care to elaborate on the mechanics of this punch?

Sure!

Since I'm a southpaw I'll describe my way of using it first, or my version of it. I'll draw a jab from my opponent by leaning in a little bit with my lead arm down. When the opponent shoots the jab I'll pull back sharply and come across with short right hook over his jab. He'll have to commit to that jab if you want an effective counter hook, hence the exaggerated invitation. I don't pretend to be as fast as a RJJr so I catch the jab in the palm of my rear hand, already held high and close to the face. I first started noticing Jones doing this against Richard Hall back in 2000, a fight where I think he showed he'd finally mastered fighting southpaws (fighting a them again and again, fight after fight will do that (and I mean all the sparring in preparation)).

Now the "regular" check hook as it is taught by Roy Sr is where you draw a right hand in a similar manner, only your stance is as orthodox as your opponent's. You pull back and put the short left hook over the opponent's right hand. While it is easier to get your opponent to commit to a right hand, it's harder to get him to throw it often.

I have read a lot of stuff about Carpentier in recent years and have never come across a mention of his "waltz punch."

Where did you see a reference to it?

Anyobdy have any idea what it is?

"Where did you see a reference to it? "

googling for info on the kangaroo punch.

" only your stance is as orthodox as your opponent's. You pull back and put the short left hook over the opponent's right hand."

Where should your feet be positioned in contrast to your opponents when drawing their lead right?

The only comment I couold find about Carpentier's waltz punch was on some sort of Italian martial arts forum:

"Il Waltz Punch di Carpentier è veramente difficoltoso da spiegare anche perchè non è nulla di trascendentale ma solo un modo personale di quel pugile di colpire simultaneamente ad un cambio passo sulle gambe."

My Italian is (very) weak but I think a (very) approximate translation would be:

"Carpentier's Watlz Punch is truly difficult to explain, because there is nothing transcendental about it-- it's just the individual way that fighter had of punching while simultaneously changing the position of his legs."

Maybe this will makes sense to somebody. If not, maybe somebody who knows Italian a lot better than I can translate it better?

Great image on the corkscrewpunch!

Just remembered that I have a couple of how-to manuals written by Carpentier-- or at least that have his name on the title page. Below is a description of the waltz punch, from "My Methods or Boxing as a Fine Art" (mid-1902's). (I haven't checked this description against the orginal French from which it was translated but I could do that if anyobdy really wanted to get technical about it.)

"Having lured your opponent on to 'coming in' [by feinting with the left and 'hanging well back to get the necessary impetus on me for the following move'], it is now necessary to side-step him on the right, and on so doing advance the required distance to get behind him. I need hardly say that it requires a bit of acrobatic dexterity to accomplish properly, bu the movement can be acquired by practice. Having got so far, the object is to 'waltz' your opponent round so that is his pirouetting or pivoting movement that you have forced him to accomplish he is once more being brought face to face with you. Before the full tunr or circle is described, however, he meets with the full force of a right hammer hook clean on the jaw. Some people will object to this second movement as bordering perilously near a wrestling hold, and liable to court disqualification, but I maintain that such is not the case. It is not necessary to hold one opponent whil e attempting the gyratory phase of the 'waltz punch," for it can be accomplished with the closed gloves, and jsut by pushing your man round. [...] Anyhow, having spun your man round, the thing is to catch him on the jaw whne he is coming round. So little is this blow expected that he is not troubling about anything save the regaining of his balance. Thus it is that with the extra impetus of his pivoting movement, the punch should land with considerable effect. The whole of the three movements described are really but the sequence of one continued evolution. That is to say, there should be no pause between any of these, and the whole should be accomplished in the quickest time possible."

Carpentier was a savateur too, I believe.

Forgive Rod, he is a KKM and doesn't know that a DP is clearly defined as "The greatest Expression of Love a Man can give a Woman."

Enjoy your Semester off Bro. We'll have to catch up at Mirasol's.