Who do you respect more, and why?

Take two fighters and try to have other people give different answers when it comes to who do you respect more.

Take a fighter who has had a long, but not quite successful career, vs a fighter who has had a shorter, but more successful career, and see who gets more respect.

For example-

A fighter whose mma career spanned over 23 years, had over 300 fights against guys like Jeremy Horn(3x), Matt Lindland, Dan Severn(3X), Brian Gassaway, Vladimir Matyushenko, Pete Williams, John Marsh, Ian Freeman, Ricco Rodriguez(2X), Renato Sobral, TK, Evan Tanner, Rich Franklin, Travis Wiuff(3X), Ben Rothwell(2X), Forrest Griffin, Mike Whitehead, Chris Tuchscherer, Jeff Monson, Andre Arvloski,

Had draws with Minowa man, Jeremy Horn, Dan Severn

Wins against Brad Kohler, Heath Herring Cabbage Kerry Schall Cal Worsham Joe Riggs, Wes Sims, and Shannon Ritch

Versus a fighter who had 14 total fights, won 12 all via finish, reached the top of a newer and very thin division/weight class as well as defended the belt multiple times, and only fought for 5 1/2 years.

Who would you respect more Travis Fulton or Ronda Rousey?

I would have picked Ronda for what she done for the sport, transcending gender and the sport itself, if she could have handled a loss with any of the grace of a Conor (after Diaz) or an Askren. But it all goes out the window when you look at that, imo. So Fulton... Dude lost like 40 times or whatever and kept coming back. It's easy to get back in there when everything is going your way. 

 

 

The Magician Longs to See - 

I would have picked Ronda for what she done for the sport, transcending gender and the sport itself, if she could have handled a loss with any of the grace of a Conor (after Diaz) or an Askren. But it all goes out the window when you look at that, imo. So Fulton... Dude lost like 40 times or whatever and kept coming back. It's easy to get back in there when everything is going your way. 

 

 

I don't think there is anything Ronda did in particular to transcend the sport.  I feel it was more of a right time right place as mma in general was growing rapidly when she came onto the scene.

 

While I completely agree with you that Ronda and how she handled her losses can make one lose respect, I will begrudgingly add that Travis Fulton lost a lot of fans respect when he went on a racist k-mart rant.  I know one is more sport related than the other but if you're going to take outside aspects as a factor, I think both should be included or both excluded.

Hopefully you all can participate and do more candidates for this

rather have rondas record

also she was more exciting to watch

 

respect, though... tough call but lean toward trav

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I would have picked Ronda for what she done for the sport, transcending gender and the sport itself, if she could have handled a loss with any of the grace of a Conor (after Diaz) or an Askren. But it all goes out the window when you look at that, imo. So Fulton... Dude lost like 40 times or whatever and kept coming back. It's easy to get back in there when everything is going your way. 

 

 

I don't think there is anything Ronda did in particular to transcend the sport.  I feel it was more of a right time right place as mma in general was growing rapidly when she came onto the scene.

 

While I completely agree with you that Ronda and how she handled her losses can make one lose respect, I will begrudgingly add that Travis Fulton lost a lot of fans respect when he went on a racist k-mart rant.  I know one is more sport related than the other but if you're going to take outside aspects as a factor, I think both should be included or both excluded.

Yeah you're not really wrong, but she was the first person in MMA I can remember being a crossover star. Some guys managed to get some fame outside before her, but she was the first real superstar. I think anyway, I could be wrong and it could be dependant on location I guess. But I asked my mother for example to name MMA people, she'd only know Ronda and McG. 

 

... I did not know that about Fulton. Damn. Shame. Now it just got a lot harder to judge. I suppose that changes it to Ronda? I mean race hate in your heart doesn't take away the admirable qualities of being able to handle a loss and get back on the pony (a lesson I learned the hard way IRL). I'm instantly drawn to loser types that keep getting back on the pony. But shit... I suppose I can relate more to Ronda, then. The whole "retire undefeated" mantra she had, on her mouthpieces and all that, it infected her psyche. Guess she just couldn't handle that being shattered. I can at least understand that. 

I've got some respect for the Ironman of MMA as an athlete, but almost none as a person.

 

Ronda by far.

Luke Rockhold or Matt Lindland

 

Who do you respect more, and why?

 

Rockhold has fought for 12 years in mma compared to Lindland fighting for 14

 

Rockhold has a UFC Championship belt where as Lindland does not.

 

Rockhold has 21 fights where as Lindland has 31 fights

 

 

Candidate wise: 

 

Urijah Faber vs Stipe Miocic. 

 

One basically forged a path for smaller guys to make money in fighting. Was the instrument for many guys to get training, provided jobs for guys (not just fighting, but trainers and people around the gym etc), housing for folks close to the gym, has fought most people in his division worth fighting but never quite came up trumps with the title.

 

The other works literally the most stressful blue collar job that exists between fights, is basically a hero in the local community for putting his life on the line and was at one point the fucking baddest man on the planet, setting a record for title defences in the most tumultuous division that there is.  

 

I'd lean Stipe, cause fucking hell what a selfless act for someone who doesn't need to do it all. But I think Faber should not be slept on. 

Matt Lindland or Chris Weidman

 

In 2007 during Anderson Silva's prime, Lindland was not in the UFC but was in the middle of winning 9/10 fights where the only "loss" was a razor close split decision loss to Rampage Jackson at lhw, where Rampage would be UFC lhw champion 1 year later.

Chael seemed to be well on his way to beating Anderson using his wrestling and ground and pound.  Lindland, was a better version of Chael where Lindland's striking was arguably a slight less dangerous than Chael's was, Lindland's wrestling was just as good if not better, and Lindland's submissions/submission defense was much greater. 

 

Lindland's career was 14 years and he had 31 fights where as Weidman is in his 10th year with just 18 total fights.

Weidman not only was a UFC Champion, but beat arguably the most proven champion to date, twice. 

 

Is that enough to compensate for less fights and less years in the game?

 

 

Throwin'Knuckles -

This thread topic is all over the place.. To debate, it needs to be a chosen 2.

Bah, it's not that serious. Answer OP and pick 2 guys. Or don't. It's all gravy. 

The Magician Longs to See - 

Candidate wise: 

 

Urijah Faber vs Stipe Miocic. 

 

One basically forged a path for smaller guys to make money in fighting. Was the instrument for many guys to get training, provided jobs for guys (not just fighting, but trainers and people around the gym etc), housing for folks close to the gym, has fought most people in his division worth fighting but never quite came up trumps with the title.

 

The other works literally the most stressful blue collar job that exists between fights, is basically a hero in the local community for putting his life on the line and was at one point the fucking baddest man on the planet, setting a record for title defences in the most tumultuous division that there is.  

 

I'd lean Stipe, cause fucking hell what a selfless act for someone who doesn't need to do it all. But I think Faber should not be slept on. 

Fantastic first suggestion(not counting my previous suggestions)

 

I wanted to keep the comparisons more mma related, but the different in backgrounds between these two is very vast.  I like how you were able to see the differences in the two.

 

I respect Faber more.  His division I feel had more depth, plus he's fought more and fought longer.  Hw's get some level of extra respect for fighting in the most dangerous division though.  Even a "weak" hw striker can still put ones lights out.

 

In regards to the "extra", the outside mma aspect, I'd respect Stipe more.  Firefighters are awesome and do an important job.  I'd rather be Uriah soaking in the California sun, but I respect Stipe for being a firefighter....in freaking Cleveland lol

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Shane Carwin or Mark Kerr

 

Mark Kerr has a 12 year mma career with 26 total fights

 

Shane Carwin had a 6 year mma career with just 14 total fights

 

Carwin is a UFC(interim) HW Champion

 

Kerr fought in 1 night tournaments as well as modern mma

 

 

Ricco Rodriguez or Mark Kerr?

 

Ricco's career has lasted 20 years(fought Feb of this year2019) and has 81 total fights

 

Mark Kerr's career lasted 12 years and had 26 total fights

 

 

I'm going to take a break but I had thought of some fighters to throw in later, but couldn't match up who to compare them with.  The ones I haven't done yet are Cody Garbrandt, Renan Barao, Pat Miletech, and Nick Diaz.

 

I wanted to do kind of a short term not as many fights but reached the top vs never reached the top but had a long term many fight career type of comparisons.

Throwin'Knuckles -
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Throwin'Knuckles -

This thread topic is all over the place.. To debate, it needs to be a chosen 2.

Bah, it's not that serious. Answer OP and pick 2 guys. Or don't. It's all gravy. 

If you would read the thread you would see that I already did answer Op

Yeah, you right. My bad homie. I wasn't trying to be sarky. My bad. 

I feel like Ronda has become a much more respectable person since she went into wrestling. She had two videos that made me an actual fan of her personality. One is her sax life video where she is obsessed with her saxophone, and the other is her playing turtles in time on up up down down. 

In MMA I wanted to see her be a better sport, but honestly I don't give a shit about that after seeing her in a more real life setting. She might not shake hands with people she trained to hurt, but she cusses like a sailor when she gets hit by a bad guy who is off screen. I respect that a lot more than a guy who had tons of less important fights and is willing to rant about his blind hatred.

 

 

Which do you guys respect more for in your face Christians? Someone like Vitor who thanks God and wears jesus slogans on his shorts, or a Ben Henderson type who comes out to "our God is an awesome God" and also talks about his religion. I feel like Ben is just a real dude who helps his mom, where as Vitor is a steroid cheat who justifies things with his religion.

D241 -

I'm going to take a break but I had thought of some fighters to throw in later, but couldn't match up who to compare them with.  The ones I haven't done yet are Cody Garbrandt, Renan Barao, Pat Miletech, and Nick Diaz.

 

I wanted to do kind of a short term not as many fights but reached the top vs never reached the top but had a long term many fight career type of comparisons.

Nick Diaz vs Israel Adesanya 

 

Diaz had an amazing style. I kinda see him like the prototype for Max. Put a pace on guys that you could just see them wilt under. Wasn't afraid to engage anyone in any style. Some amazing fucking finishes in his time. Put the beating of a life time on BJ Penn that should have retired him. Was the A side in the build up for one of GSPs best title defence build ups. Lost a lot of decisions, was rarely stopped. UFC 47 was the only time he was legit stopped by strikes, the other was a doctor stoppage iirc. Lost his last two fights, but they were against two of the all time greats in WW and MW. Went AWOL a few times for personal reasons etc, but never came off as scared of anyone or like he wanted to duck folks. Was champ of two other organisations before the UFC was the only game in town. 

 

Adesanya legit lives the sniper gimmick he talks about. Downloads an opponents data, is patient and picks his shots. Kinda like a less wrestley JBJ, with great shot selection and variety, but already has more finishes. Just off the back of one of the most exciting fights of the year. Weathered a storm, fought through adversity and came as gold. And he fought 5 times in less than a year (364 days). Always ready, never seems to turn down a fight. Erased most of the doubts people had about him with regards to TDD. Only took him 5/6 fights in the UFC to get the title shot in a division that has had (not anymore though) 4 horsemen gatekeepers for years. 

 

High volume boxind with tremendous BJJ vs intelligent, well timed stylish striking. 

SMG vs Sniper

 

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I feel like Ronda has become a much more respectable person since she went into wrestling. She had two videos that made me an actual fan of her personality. One is her sax life video where she is obsessed with her saxophone, and the other is her playing turtles in time on up up down down. 

In MMA I wanted to see her be a better sport, but honestly I don't give a shit about that after seeing her in a more real life setting. She might not shake hands with people she trained to hurt, but she cusses like a sailor when she gets hit by a bad guy who is off screen. I respect that a lot more than a guy who had tons of less important fights and is willing to rant about his blind hatred.

 

 

Which do you guys respect more for in your face Christians? Someone like Vitor who thanks God and wears jesus slogans on his shorts, or a Ben Henderson type who comes out to "our God is an awesome God" and also talks about his religion. I feel like Ben is just a real dude who helps his mom, where as Vitor is a steroid cheat who justifies things with his religion.

I don't know if gentle Jesus, meek and mild, cares about blood sports. So when anyone thanks god for their success or whatever, I just kinda wince. He did say he'd come back with the sword and all that, but meh. I dunno. There's just a disconnect between turn the other cheek and counter the lead hook with a spinning back fist.  

I respect Shogun and Fedor

No out of ring bullshit or tough guy talk

Just in ring results and honorable actions

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