thforklift - Askren is actually one of the few fighters that can outwrestle him. The reason why is because Ben's wrestling ability is based more on his scrambles and "funk" style than anything else. He can wrestle out of positions quite well and find his way to being on top. I'd have to say that when he starts rounding into form more and more, he might actually be a threat down the road just because of that.
He would need GSP to initiate the TD to take him down. He isn't good at shooting in to initiate, much like Phil Davis.
GSP or even Koscheck would be horrible match up for him
nyuwrestling - Askren would be able to out wrestle GSP just because of his style. GSP is not used to anyone using funk when he wrestles, since he trains with mainly freestyle wrestlers from Canada and Russia, and that is Askren's trademark. George would probably get some deep doubles and singles on him but Askren would probably just funk out of them. That being said I don't really see Askren taking GSP down and Askren's standup is mediocre at best so he would get KTFO pretty early IMO.
Askren got handled by some Cuban in the Olympics. That guy would have handled him in any type of wrestling you could think of.
Opinions really dont prove anything. No matter how many points you throw out there, it doesn't mean anything if the fight never happens. A lot of people thought Kos was going to outwrestle GSP. Didnt happen. Only thing we can hope for, is that this fight does happen down the line. I, for one, think Hornbuckle is going to submit Askren.
ok..gsp can only be beaten at wrestling in an mma match by two fighters, and their both heavyweight wrestling-bases fighters..cain v and lesnar.. i dont care who else you put on this board, gsp can beat them..matt hughes DEFEATED..koscheck DEFEATED..bj penn DEFEATED..jon fitch DEFEATED.. all of these fighters were/are notoriously hard to takedown, and gsp did all of them with ease..no one under 205 has a chance, and the 205er will have to be an extremely agile and explosive wrestler..
Gokudamus stole my name - Askren lost 4-0 in the second period. And only scored 1 point in the first against the cuban. If that is not handled then i dont know what is
i saw the askren/cuban olympic match and ben got beat by the better wrestler that day...who just happens to be among the elite of one of the hardest sports on the planet...have you ever wrestled?
if gsp can keep the fight standing then he beats askren...ben takes gsp down most times but here's the point about ben's unique funk thang
even if ben gets taked down, ben's unique scrambling ability puts him in top position without having to stand up, escape, and risk the ko again...huge position advantage for ben
wrestlers learn bjj real quick...especially defense and mistakes not to make...ben's bjj will be better than gsps soon if not already and his wrestling is on another level
ben's got the gameplan to beat gsp..let's see how well gsp fights from the bottom cuz that's where he ends up even if gsp takes askren down
Can we stop calling Ivan Fundora "some Cuban"? That would be fun: he did win a bronze medal at Athens and another at the worlds, and he is a Pan Am champion. I'm also a little thrown off by how he gets into an Askren vs. GSP discussion, because there's no way GSP replicates Fundora shooting in on you. Of course Fundora beat Askren pretty handily, but that's neither here nor there because he'd bitchslap anyone involved in MMA that's close to his weight in a wrestling match.
GreenLight - I love on hanging on a hope that a simple formula will help John Doe Wrestler beat GSP. It looks like some of you still can't cope with the fact that the baddest man along with Silva in the UFC is a Canadian with a French accent. If it were so simple, Hughes wouldn't have gotten annihilated 2 times and BJ Penn wouldn't have. He may get beat eventually but for now, other then potentially Silva, we have no idea who that person is for now. These crack pipe dreams of Askren "outwrestling" GSP and Johnny Hendricks are retarded and worthless. Time is better spent elsewhere.
lol @ john doe wrestler.
shut the fuck up, stay on the OG and keep worshipping Bruce Lee, because you will be badly embarrassed if your ignorant ass tries to talk fighting
the UG is not a place for people who know literally nothing about fighting.
Gokudamus stole my name - Askren lost 4-0 in the second period. And only scored 1 point in the first against the cuban. If that is not handled then i dont know what is
i saw the askren/cuban olympic match and ben got beat by the better wrestler that day...who just happens to be among the elite of one of the hardest sports on the planet...have you ever wrestled?
if gsp can keep the fight standing then he beats askren...ben takes gsp down most times but here's the point about ben's unique funk thang
even if ben gets taked down, ben's unique scrambling ability puts him in top position without having to stand up, escape, and risk the ko again...huge position advantage for ben
wrestlers learn bjj real quick...especially defense and mistakes not to make...ben's bjj will be better than gsps soon if not already and his wrestling is on another level
ben's got the gameplan to beat gsp..let's see how well gsp fights from the bottom cuz that's where he ends up even if gsp takes askren down
i'm a huge gsp fan btw
Once GSP took Askren down in MMA, and he would just like Pendleton did time and again, he'd dstroy Askren with GNP and elbows to the body if Askren scrambled. On the feet it would be a joke, as Askren's striking game is one of the worst of any WW, and his GNP is equally weak.
Askren has a great scrambling style that is perfect for beating many guys like Thomas who just can't compete with that level. But Askren's BJJ isn't even close to GSP's (or Fitch, or Shields, etc). It leaves tons of openings and he gets reversed often. Heck, Askren's BJJ isn't as good as Hornbuckle, and Dan is going to smash Askren or sub him when they fight. Askren vs. GSP shouldn't even be a conversation.