Would Askren outwrestle GSP?

Not all grapplers, whether they are good or tremendous athletes, cross over well to MMA. It's a very different sport.

GSP loses a wrestling match to anyone mentioned on this thread, except maybe Popovitch, but out-wrestles them all in an MMA match.

He is the far superior MMA fighter.

gsp is the better mma fighter for sure...ben needs another year of mma/bjj and a few more fights before he even steps into the cage with gsp

but ben has style/skill to beat gsp...if ben can get the fight to the ground, then he ends up on top where he can maintain position...and that's what beats gsp...ben needs to improve his g&p/bjj

i'm really stoked to watch hornbuckle/askren...gonna be a great fight

Pablo Popovitch who tapped Ben in 43 seconds at the ADCC went toe to toe with Askren in wrestling to a virtual draw at a few practices Ben came to......

I am thinking if Ben has a chance at GSP in a few fights...

Then Pablo has a better one........

GEEEZUS. This GSP wrestling thing is older than spit. He doesn't really "outwrestle" anyone. He takes people down. He has great timing. He rarely takes shots that are not the result of either the cage or a poor kicking attempt by his opponent. He does a great job of taking guys down once they get out of position. Defending a takedown off the cage is not really wrestling anymore. Defending a takedown as you are kicking is not really wrestling anymore either.

yea i'd love to see pablo and gsp

pablo and askren are both still green to mma...and askren is only a bjj purple and still has lots to learn...they're both future champs imo

I didn't think Askren's wrestling looked too incredible in that last fight, he even got taken down once iirc. I'm not super familiar with his opponent, was he supposed to be some sort of difficult-to-take-down dude?

askren's wrestling is wacked out...he always did crazy unorthodox stuff that's a no no in wrestling...but managed to pull it off

he's so good in the scramble if the fight hits the ground it's not going to matter whether he's on bottom...he will eventually end up on top

Does anyone know who gave Ben his purple belt?

bjjdna - that cuban is a bad ass and askren did not get handled

ben needs to work on his striking to help him close the distance without getting hit

add solid bjj to mr funky rubberband man and gsp better be able to fight off his back...because ben will end up on top if the fight hits the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJcmCA8A8Q&feature=related


Ben got murdered by that Cuban. I don't know what fight you were watching.

Askren is also much smaller than GSP. Askren is a small welter.

Askern is argueably the best wrestler ever. Is he necessarely going to be that great of of fighter though? The one fight I seen of his he didn't seem to pull it off very well.

jacobdoerr - Askern is argueably the best wrestler ever. Is he necessarely going to be that great of of fighter though? The one fight I seen of his he didn't seem to pull it off very well.


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 I hope Hornbuckle crushes his trachea. 

Nicdom - 
bjjdna - that cuban is a bad ass and askren did not get handled

ben needs to work on his striking to help him close the distance without getting hit

add solid bjj to mr funky rubberband man and gsp better be able to fight off his back...because ben will end up on top if the fight hits the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJcmCA8A8Q&feature=related


Ben got murdered by that Cuban. I don't know what fight you were watching.



i've seen enough wrestling matches to know the difference between being beat by the better wrestler that day and being "handled" or "murdered"

ben got beat by an elite wrestler he had never wrestled before..he got beat by the better wrestler that day...who turned out to be top three in the world

here's the thing about the sport of wrestling...the reason ben and other elite wrestlers are so damn good/tough is because they've taken a gazillion beatings during training over their lifetimes...and the really good ones like ben learn and improve from their mistakes

^^ i understand Ben is your boy but the fact is he got beat 7-1. It wasnt that Fundora was better that day. It was that Fundora was playing in a whole different league

And Fundora never placed third, Terziev beat him for the bronze

I got nothing against Askren but his fanbase always want to make him to be greater than he has proven to be. Before the olympics people were saying Askren was the dark horse

Come on!

I think he is a very good wrestler with a bright future in MMA. Im not sure if his funky style translates the best to fighting, personally i think the more athletic and explosive you are the better for MMA

Gokudamus stole my name - ^^ i understand Ben is your boy but the fact is he got beat 7-1. It wasnt that Fundora was better that day. It was that Fundora was playing in a whole different league

And Fundora never placed third, Terziev beat him for the bronze

I got nothing against Askren but his fanbase always want to make him to be greater than he has proven to be. Before the olympics people were saying Askren was the dark horse

Come on!

I think he is a very good wrestler with a bright future in MMA. Im not sure if his funky style translates the best to fighting, personally i think the more athletic and explosive you are the better for MMA


QFT, as far as Ben in MMA I have to agree with you.

Taking risks in wrestling is far different than in MMA. In wrestling, you lose a few points. In MMA, you get submitted or TKOd.

Another thing about Ben that make me think he won't be much of a contender in MMA is that he punches like a girl.

On the feet and on the ground, he throws punches like he doesn't want to hurt his opponent. He had Thomas in full mount for at least 5 minutes and didn't land a single significant blow.

He also threw the dude on top of himself once. I don't recall GSP ever doing that.

Gokudamus stole my name - ^^ i understand Ben is your boy but the fact is he got beat 7-1. It wasnt that Fundora was better that day. It was that Fundora was playing in a whole different league

And Fundora never placed third, Terziev beat him for the bronze

I got nothing against Askren but his fanbase always want to make him to be greater than he has proven to be. Before the olympics people were saying Askren was the dark horse

Come on!

I think he is a very good wrestler with a bright future in MMA. Im not sure if his funky style translates the best to fighting, personally i think the more athletic and explosive you are the better for MMA


yea i'm a big fan of ben's wrestling for sure...i hope he does well in mma too...wrestlers like ben have their lives invested in wrestling and being the best...they deserve some financial reward for their achievements and hard work imo..i hope he does well

as far as 7-1 in the olympics...yea ben lost..you still don't get my point

ben got beat by the better wrester that day...ben did not execute and his opponent did...it happens...it's part of the sport

when cael sanderson made the transition from college great to international, i can remember watching cael get beat badly by fullhart...taken down a couple times...he lost position once when fullhart kneebarred cael...cael was turned for back points...cael got beat by the better wrestler that day

guess what...the next two matches cael beat fullhart and went on to win the olympics

to wrestle D1 takes talent...D1 all american more talent... to compete successfuly at the international level is insane
level talent

so saying ben was "handled" or "murdered" is misleading if you understand the sport and how talented everyone is at the international level

ben has already been proven to be the best wrestler in the nation at his weight class...he really does not have anything else to prove..but i hope he does well in mma

i always want the wrestlers and bjj guys to do well...not just ben