Denise - As some of you know, I'm a certified ringside physician with the FL State Athletic Commission. I know the NY ringside doctor who called the fight last night, his name is Nitin. I've seen this guy at every Association of Ringside Physicians annual meeting I've attended over the last 12 years. He's always there to learn, keep up to date, and give his own teaching lectures. Nitin is the chief medical officer for the NYSAC and was tireless in his work to get the sport of MMA legalized in NY. He is a professor at Cornell, where he did his neurology training, and heads up the concussion treatment and research clinic for the university. This guy loves MMA and is a walking encyclopedia of UFC/MMA knowledge. He respects the athletes and is fully aware of the career and financial implications his decisions might have on these men and women. He knows who Nate Diaz is and knows his history and his capabilities. Eye injuries, especially lacerations of the lids and area around the eyeball itself, are serious. If Nitin opined that it was unsafe for Nate to continue, then it was unsafe for Nate to continue. Good call.
–Denise
Thanks for sharing. Thought it sucks that the fight was stopped, I’d rather see Nate fighting again than potentially loosing an eye AND the fight. Like many other fighters, he’s too tough for his own good, and I appreciate both refs and doctors who seriously consider fighter’s safety above anybody’s ego. So what if the crowd boohs? So what if Nate and Jorge are pissed off? Better to save that eye for another fight, let alone the remainder of Nate’s life!
Thanks for the insight. Try not to let some of the immature people here drive you away. There are plenty of intelligent, educated, well spoken people who just want to talk and learn about MMA. Like most social places, it just the ignorant ones that are the loudest.
Thanks for the insight. Try not to let some of the immature people here drive you away. There are plenty of intelligent, educated, well spoken people who just want to talk and learn about MMA. Like most social places, it just the ignorant ones that are the loudest.
Appreciate the insite from a professional but i've seen fights that looked worse go on and everyone knows how tough Nate is. I realize its a very tough call but the importance of the fight and the fact that Nate was still fighting back and pushing foward made me want to see it go the distance. It's funny you see boxing matches where guys are literally getting killed [im thinking of the Breveort [spelled wrong] fight and nobody saved that poor guy to fights where blood stops the fight. I guess part of the problem is billing a fight as the baddest mf then stopping it on a cut.
Nice Lecture OP. You are obligated to support your cronies and wouldn't want you to say anything negative about the amazing man that is Nitin. Blau Blau Blau.
The cut was not on his eye lid. It was above the Brow and there was no fear of eye damage. If the cut was on the lid as you stated I would agree.
The doctor wanted to be an attention whore and call the fight. If he let it go, no one knows his name. Now he will get his 15 minutes of fame, money, and opportunities all while robbing Nate Diaz of millions in future earnings.
Thanks for taking the time to defend your buddy but with all due respect and I do mean with all do respect…
Your opinion regarding “fame, money, and opportunities…” is way off base. It’s actually difficult for the state athletic commissions to get docs to do ringside work because most doctors think combat sports should be illegal. Doctors who do ringside by and large do it because we love the sport and want the fighters to have the best medical care available. Many of us get pressured by colleagues, hospitals, and employers to stop our participation in combat sports because the medical culture feels it is a barbaric bloodsport.
Money and opportunities? Nope. For the two to three hours a typical weigh in takes the night before the fight (four or five hours for a UFC weigh in), the two hours of reviewing and chasing down lab results and medical tests, and the 6-7 hours on fight night (9-12 hours for a UFC), I get paid about what I make for the work of an hour or two in my office. And what opportunities do you think working fights provides for physicians? See the first paragraph.
Thanks for the pic, this is the best one I’ve seen. Just based on this photo, it looks like the laceration starts at about 12:00 or 1:00 on the upper lid and traces down the outside of the globe to about 9:00. There’s an important nerve at the 12:00 position that could effect Nate’s ability to open his eye. The bones around the globe are very fragile, and the muscles that move the eyeball are directly under the tissue paper skin in that area. If those muscles are damaged, he’d have double vision for the rest of his life. Also, if the fat tissue under the skin from 9:00 to 12:00 is exposed, which I can’t tell because of the blood, that can cause a bunch of other problems. Also, I can’t tell how deep the cut is from this photo. Those are the thoughts that would be going thru my mind if I were standing there seeing that. I would also be very aware of the gravity of the fight and that I would end up being torn apart by fans if I stopped the fight. BUT my bottom line would be that I’d rather deal with haters than have Nate never be able to fight (over maybe even see straight) again.
–Denise
His eyebrow was coming off and blocking his vision
Damn. Those are some pretty big zippers. I wasn't mad when it got stopped. Nate was getting his ass whooped. I don't believe him turning it up in rounds 4&5 would've won the fight. I understand how people see him getting robbed of the opprotunity though. People in attendance probably feel robbed of a better ending. The stoppage wasn't very Bad Mother Fucker-esque. I won't say it was right or wrong but I ain't mad.
In the grand scheme of things I think it is an ok outcome because Nate obviously would have kept fighting.
That area has taken a lot of damage.
It gives Nate a way out of a fight that was not going his way (not saying he wanted that) and sets the stage for another match if that is what is decided. A story a narrative is in place and all was done in the name of safety.
Nate took Jorge’s best shots. The championship rounds is where Nate shines. Jorge looked to be fading while Nate was seemingly picking up ground.
“Fight one more round. When your feet are so tired that you have to shuffle back to the centre of the ring, fight one more round. When your arms are so tired that you can hardly lift your hands to come on guard, fight one more round.”
In the grand scheme of things I think it is an ok outcome because Nate obviously would have kept fighting.
That area has taken a lot of damage.
It gives Nate a way out of a fight that was not going his way (not saying he wanted that) and sets the stage for another match if that is what is decided. A story a narrative is in place and all was done in the name of safety.
Nate took Jorge’s best shots. The championship rounds is where Nate shines. Jorge looked to be fading while Nate was seemingly picking up ground.
“Fight one more round. When your feet are so tired that you have to shuffle back to the centre of the ring, fight one more round. When your arms are so tired that you can hardly lift your hands to come on guard, fight one more round.”
Denise and Nitin know nothing of these things.
“The championship rounds is where Nate shines”
Nate has had two fights in his career go to the championship rounds and he lost them both.
In fact he has only won a single championship round in his career against Conor.
He has lost 3 out of 4 of the championship rounds he has been in. One in that same Conor fight – the 5th round no less – and rounds 4 and 5 to Bendo.
"Nate took Jorge’s best shots. "
Exactly – that’s why he got wrecked, lost the fight, and had to go to the hospital.
He's referring to the long held, codified rule of the UG. It's really the only rule this place has.
So, in the spirit of tradition and all things holy; pics of your tits or gtfo
Why don’t you come on over to Gracie Barra Clearwater or St Pete Brazilian Jiu Jitsu during one of my classes and ask me that in person, Mr. 18er Cheeto Fingers? People like you are why I hardly ever post on this forum. This is an MMA discussion board. I’m a ringside physician and a two stripe BJJ blackbelt who’s probably old enough to be your mother, and I’m just trying to give some of my own personal insight on a discussion topic of mutual interest. So why don’t you grow up or GTFO and let the adults have a reasonable conversation?
–Denise
Jesus, it’s a lack of sense of humor that is destroying this place
I’ll pick you up. Grab the Cheetos. We’re headed to Clearwater.
What weight class are you, Denise?
LOL getting smacked up for acting like a pre-teen that just had his first boner.
