Art Davie details Rickson friction

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                    <p>UFC co-founder Art Davie has appeared in a series of interviews to promote his new book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Is-This-Legal-Inside-Created/dp/0991275640" target="_blank">Is This Legal</a>?</p>

Here Davie talks with SI's Jeff Wagenheim about the friction between fellow UFC co-founder Rorion Gracie, and his younger half brother, the family champion Rickson.

Jeff Wagenheim: As much as the Gracies saw this as a showcase for their jiu-jitsu, they didn’t even utilize the family’s best fighter.

Art Davie: Yes, that’s right. Throughout the planning stages, I was sure that one of my contestants was going to be Rickson Gracie. He was the family champion, the jiu-jitsu scientist, a role he inherited from his cousin Rolles. He had had pro fights in Brazil.

But one day Rorion told me it was going to be Royce, not Rickson. I was shocked. Little Royce, all 170 pounds of him? But I learned that Rorion and Rickson had been having problems that revolved around control and money. Rorion was the older brother, but Rickson was the best fighter, so who was going to be the titular head of the family?

The family really did operate as a unit. All of the brothers would give Rorion their bills, and he would pay them. And at one point Rickson’s wife submitted a bill for therapeutic massage, and Rorion said no. So Rickson’s wife said to her husband, “Wait a minute, you’re letting your brother tell you that I can’t have a massage?”

On top of that, Rorion found out that Rickson had stolen two students from the Gracie academy and was teaching them over his garage. So it came down to money. And I think Rickson felt, on some level, that he had his own destiny.

JW: Yet Rickson did serve as coach for little brother Royce prior to the first UFC.
 
AD: Yes, and later on he almost got even more involved. This isn’t in the book, because the book focuses on UFC 1. But between UFCs 3 and 4, I had a meeting with Rickson, Rorion, Royce and their father, Helio. After Royce’s performance in UFC 3, where he ran out of gas emotionally and physically [and had to withdraw before the final], he had agreed to step down, at Helio and Rorion’s request. They turned to Rickson. They wanted him to come in for UFC 4.

So we all met in my office on a Saturday.  And as we sat there around a big conference table, Rickson told us he wanted a million bucks. I knew he was going to ask for that. He and I had had dinner a couple of nights before, and he’d told me, 'Mike Tyson is getting 10 million, so I want at least one million.' I told him no one in the UFC was making a million bucks -- I wasn’t, Rorion wasn’t, no fighter was.

'You saw what your brother got,' I told him.

JW: So what happened when Rickson came into the meeting and made his demand?

AD: Well, the old man, who was always quiet, finally spoke up.

'In my day, this wasn’t about money, this was about putting forward the family art and defending it,' he said. 'Me and my brothers, we did this for the honor of defending Gracie jiu-jitsu.' Helio looked at Rickson and said, "You’ve become too much of a Norte Americano.'

Rickson didn’t say anything to his father. He just nodded. He didn’t look at Rorion. Then he nodded to me and he left the room.

He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat.

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Rickson Friction sounds like a sub waiting to be created.

ttt for Lazer

From July 28th:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/7/28/5939985/art-davie-explains-why-rickson-gracie-never-fought-in-the-ufc

i read Helio part in a old school Asian kung fu master voice.

"He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0

I don't know much about this stuff, but I always thought they chose Royce for the first UFC because he was smaller than Rickson and it would serve as further proof that BJJ was the best martial art.

Ch1ef - "He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0
But true Phone Post 3.0

Zanzoken - I don't know much about this stuff, but I always thought they chose Royce for the first UFC because he was smaller than Rickson and it would serve as further proof that BJJ was the best martial art.
That's what he said. Rickson issue wasn't till UFC 4. Phone Post 3.0

Ch1ef - "He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0

Exactly. I'd like to see anyone in today's MMA be able to take on guys like Bud Smith and don't forget about the legendary, Takada. IIRC, Takada's record was 600-0 prior to their first of two brutal fisticuffs.

Shows you how under paid Royce was. Rickson loves jiu jitsu, he doesn't love MMA. He felt he was the best of the best and deserved to be paid that way. Asking for a million back then would be like asking for 20 million now. It's a shame he never did fight in the UFC though.

xsrg95 - i read Helio part in a old school Asian kung fu master voice.

same here

JoeVIP -
Ch1ef - "He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0
But true Phone Post 3.0
Why drag a guys dick in the dirt two decades later? Phone Post 3.0

Everyone knows that the Mustache Man was about MONEY.

One of the black belts that taught at Torrance once told me that his nickname was the "alligator."

When I asked why, I was told "alligators are green--so is money."

triggertap - 
xsrg95 - i read Helio part in a old school Asian kung fu master voice.

same here

same

JoeVIP  - 
Zanzoken - I don't know much about this stuff, but I always thought they chose Royce for the first UFC because he was smaller than Rickson and it would serve as further proof that BJJ was the best martial art.
That's what he said. Rickson issue wasn't till UFC 4. Phone Post 3.0

I am friends with one of Carlos Sr's daughter and granddaughter and they said that the UFC Brass and family wanted Rickson for UFC 1 also, and he refused the draconian contract and small pay from Rorion.

Ch1ef - 
JoeVIP -
Ch1ef - "He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0
But true Phone Post 3.0
Why drag a guys dick in the dirt two decades later? Phone Post 3.0

If that's what happened, then what else do you expect him to say? Rickson Gracie fighting some pretty mediocre guys in Japan isn't some big revelation.

JoeVIP -
Ch1ef - "He ended up going over to Japan, where he fought mostly against men with losing records. He got his big bucks fighting guys a lot of purple belts could have beat."

Not very respectful. Phone Post 3.0
But true Phone Post 3.0
Right... Because instead of going to Japan and fighting losing competition, he could have fought at UFC and competed against killers like Ron Van Clief, Keith Hackney, and Joe Son. The only guy with any real threat that fought at UFC 4 was Dan Severn. And he was 0-0 coming in. Phone Post 3.0

just imagine though, Rickson would have eventually fought guys like Shamrock, Oleg, Ruas and then Coleman..no way would he have continued to beat all of those guys..a prime Shamrock/Rickson fight would have been amazing..

Bry Bry - just imagine though, Rickson would have eventually fought guys like Shamrock, Oleg, Ruas and then Coleman..no way would he have continued to beat all of those guys..a prime Shamrock/Rickson fight would have been amazing..


Royce tapped Ken in a minute. Rickson would've beaten Ken no problem. After watching Renzo dominate Frank on the mat, I think Rickson takes out Frank. Oleg and Ruas would've been real challenges. I think Rickson may beat them, but it would be long drawn out fights. Coleman vs. Rickson back then would've been fascinating. Coleman's headbutts vs. Rickson's bjj. Coleman was an absolute monster.